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Leonid wrote:Now, let's imagine (not too hard to imagine) there is a CEO of a private equity firm and he's Jewish....What makes him vote against Republicans?

One has to make a distinction between voting one's conscience and one's wallet.

These are not always one and the same.

Really? Seems like a polite way to avoid the answer to me, but that's OK:)

I think I'm making my conscience public while keeping my wallet private, for obvious reasons:)

Leonid wrote:Really? Seems like a polite way to avoid the answer to me, but that's OK:)

I think I'm making my conscience public while keeping my wallet private, for obvious reasons:)

I do not have an answer, because for everyone it's different. You're Jewish and are on a different side of the barricades from most Jews. What makes you vote the way you do? What makes Palo vote the way he does? Why do majority of white protestant men vote the way they do? I do not have a slightest idea. But I know why evangelicals vote the way the do. The vote for the party more ready to compromise, imo, the state-church divide, the more likely to oppose evolution, abortion, atheism, gay rights. It is important for them, thus they vote the way they do.

Jews, be it CEOs or computer programmers are usually better educated, more secular, and if not secular - are followers of a religion whose attitudes towards some things are decidedly different from Christianity. Jews are also weary of the party proclaiming to champion their host nation's majority religion.

I think overly religious people are kooks. I will never support the party that champions their cause. You might believe that "bleeding heart all-permissive liberals" (one of which I happen to be) are kooks and will never support a party championing their cause.

Now I would not write a thesis based on this verbal diarrhea but it's my opinion

You can't put all Christians in the same boat. Hell, you can't put all Catholics in the same boat. There are those people out there who allow religion to dictate their every move and those who look upon religion for guidance, usually as a moral compass. And that applies to Christians and non-Christians alike. Atheist too. In fact, those types tend to be less flexible as they are motivated by their own ideals. Extremists, whether they be religious or not are not only kooky but downright dangerous.

I am referring to the Jews from the Soviet Union and other countries.

Had you read history you would know that we live in a land that historically is connected to my people moe than anyone. As a Jew you should understand that more than anyone. Usn't that the argument you use for the occupation of Palestine and Jerusalem?

That would be my point exactly. Quite often stereotypes make me sick. Even more so with slogans and group-thinking.

I'm voting the way I do mostly for economic reasons, coupled with my understanding of international relations.

My attitude toward religion is similar to Margaret Thatcher's "you should wear your beliefs in your heart, not on your sleeve".

In short, my voting patterns have nothing to do with my Jewishness or religion of my ancestors. Moreover, I refuse to be treated as a part of some group, taken for granted.

I guess pollsters would have a hard time talking to me:)

Occupation of Palestine@ROFL. Try peyman:)

Let me see...

My ancestors came to America when Teddy Roosevelt was in the White House. My uncle came in when Richard Nixon was. I applied when Ronald Reagan was and came in when George Bush was, but I must thank "liberal Democrats".

Thank you.

Of course this isn't about one's gratitude, rather about primitive ways of palo the troglodite:)

Well, it is an occupation. And you may claim that you're a Jew that left Brasil in the 17th century but the bottom line is that a karge chunk of Jews was allowed to enter the USA from the Soviet Union in the late 70s and 80s under Jimmy Carter's watch.
( even though a large percentage of you were only leaving the USSR for finacial reason and you didn't even really practice your religion. Not only that but you have not blended well with natives either. How many American born households do you visit? How many non-Jews visit your home? How many of your relatives would oppose a marriage to a coinvert of a non-Jew?




Take that to school, my refugee friend.

Good recycling, waste management boy. I could be excused yawning after 11 years - and counting - of your unrelenting drivel:)

In other words, you are too ashemed to answer. Nice try, Gulie Gulie. Answer the question. How many American born friends do you visit?

How many of your friends have not mastered the English Language?

Anything for Jewish doctors, nothing for mexican "trained therapists".

Piss-bucket trained that is:)

Nice try. You know that as much as you want to be an American , you will never have the True American experience. Just be gratetful we let you in and fed you.

agentesecreto wrote:Well, it is an occupation. And you may claim that you're a Jew that left Brasil in the 17th century but the bottom line is that a karge chunk of Jews was allowed to enter the USA from the Soviet Union in the late 70s and 80s under Jimmy Carter's watch.
( even though a large percentage of you were only leaving the USSR for finacial reason and you didn't even really practice your religion. Not only that but you have not blended well with natives either. How many American born households do you visit? How many non-Jews visit your home? How many of your relatives would oppose a marriage to a coinvert of a non-Jew?




Take that to school, my refugee friend.

Ultimately, president does not matter. During the 80s and early 90s Democrats held majorities in legislatures. But in late 19th - early 20th, I doubt there was anyone who even remotely reminds the two political parties in US Congress.

True, Democrats are generally more accepting of immigration but in this context it means very little.

Leonid wrote:I guess pollsters would have a hard time talking to me:)

LOL - If a pollster asked me today if I could vote for a black man, I would answer yes. But it would have to be qualified with "not that black man!"

Eugene:

I was referring only to the period of the 80s and 90s. You may recall the coincern that many Republicans had about letting people in form the Evil Empire.

Ancestors?

Your great great second uncle doen't count. Face it. You're an import. Almost a Yugo at that.

Next!

Falc

That's the question I always have ready for feminists: would you vote for Margaret Thatcher?:)

Well I, for one, am disappointed about this crap that has been made public about Ron Paul.

Some of his ideas are good: the USA should get out of the "country building" business. Excuse me but he's 100% correct on that. And he is for bringing the troops home IMMEDIATELY.

Eugene - I watch Bill Maher, and Ron Paul had been on his show at least one other time AFTER the comment about the civil war, which I do not recall but that's neither here nor there.

My point is, Bill Maher still says that Ron Paul is his favorite republican candidate. Don't forget that Bill Maher claims he's a libertarian. And Ron Paul is a libertarian.

At any rate, he is more conservative than all the other republican candidates.

Really? Seems like a polite way to avoid the answer to me, but that's OK:)

I presume to a lot of others it doesn't. And not said with malicious intent but people who almost constantly smile when they say something tends to look like prostitutes.

pramzan,

Maher returns to HBO tonight. I canceled so I'll be looking out on youtube for it.

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My mother's father came to the US during the Wilson administration (a Dem). He worked as a boiler maker during the war and went back to Sicily in 1918. He was set to return a couple years later but when the Harding administration came into office, Congress severely restricted immigration, especially from "less desirable" places in Europe. He was shut out and had to remain in Sicily. He ended up meeting my grandmother, started a family...and here I am. I have Republicans to thank for my birth….

As an aside during WWII, my grandfather met up with some American soldiers who were glad to hear the little English he spoke. Family history recounts that he used his oxen to pull a jeep out of a rut. I also remember my last memories in Sicily before I came to the US were sitting on his lap and him teaching me a few English words.

If i should be frank I think it's rather tough to draw a clear distinction between democrats and republicans you may find fractions that overlap in various matters and a great part of the early so called neo-conservatives (which doesn't have exact the same content in USA compared to Europe)were democrats a neo-conservative is thus not necessarily a republican (in fact it may come as a contradiction since neo-conservatism in the US version has for a great period of time presumed territorial expansion/control which does indeed look like liberalism (that may be of more or less lessez faire quality).

pramzan wrote:Well I, for one, am disappointed about this crap that has been made public about Ron Paul.

Some of his ideas are good: the USA should get out of the "country building" business. Excuse me but he's 100% correct on that. And he is for bringing the troops home IMMEDIATELY.

He is also pro-choice and anti-evolution, which disqualifies him for me no matter how many other things he believes that I like. I have a lithmus test.

Of course Ron Paul is a favorite Republican of Bill Maher. I could claim that Al Sharpton is my favorite Democrat, simply because I wouldn't mind Democrats losing every election:)

100% correct? Oh yeah? The space vacated by the United States would be filled by the likes of China and Russia, if not worse.

Markino, you wouldn't be living in Italy, if the United States was withdrawn from the "nation-building".

Do you know why? Because there would be no privately-owned bars in Parma:)

Bineaz:

Not only was immigration restricted from the NOn WASP European countries but also from China. Let's not forget Angel Island. I had the fortune of many humanities courses that opened up a dark past that many Americans choose to ignore.

enough !

Leonid wrote:Of course Ron Paul is a favorite Republican of Bill Maher. I could claim that Al Sharpton is my favorite Democrat, simply because I wouldn't mind Democrats losing every election:)

100% correct? Oh yeah? The space vacated by the United States would be filled by the likes of China and Russia, if not worse.

Markino, you wouldn't be living in Italy, if the United States was withdrawn from the "nation-building".

Do you know why? Because there would be no privately-owned bars in Parma:)

You have a point but Italy was no Iraq and did not cost the man-power, resources, etc. that Iraq is costing. I can't and won't even bring up the money.

WWII was different. Iraq is not Germany in the 30s and 40s and was not trying to take over the world.

As for Bill Maher, he likes politicians with good ideas. Ron Paul has good ideas.

Eugene Berkovich wrote:

pramzan wrote:Well I, for one, am disappointed about this crap that has been made public about Ron Paul.

Some of his ideas are good: the USA should get out of the "country building" business. Excuse me but he's 100% correct on that. And he is for bringing the troops home IMMEDIATELY.

He is also pro-choice and anti-evolution, which disqualifies him for me no matter how many other things he believes that I like. I have a lithmus test.

You mean Ron Paul is anti-abortion. Of course he is. He's an obstitrician. Anti-evolution? That's news to me. I think you got him and Huckabee mixed up. Huckleberry Finn doesn't believe in evolution. I would find it VERY HARD to believe that a man of science, a medical doctor, like Ron Paul doesn't believe in evolution.

Markino

Yes, Iraq is a good point and I'm sure we'll be returning to this subject for many years to come.

The problem with libertarians in general and Ron Paul in particular is that they don't approve any U.S. military action anytime, anywhere, under any circumstances, no matter what.

So even when their opinions aren't tainted by the charges of anti-Semitism, the best you can say about them is they're fantacists. The United States of America doesn't exist in a vacuum. Willy-nilly, we will be engaged in the world affairs. Whether Ron Paul likes it or not, there will be powerful multinational corporations and banks, Jewish and Gentile bankers alike, etc.

I can also guarantee you that, if history's any guide, there always will be conspiracy theories and Lew Rockwells and Lyndon LaRouches to spread them around. You can count on it.

Yawn.

Anyone who doesn't support the expansion of Israel, man-made as it is- is anti-semite.


Anti-semite, anti-dentite. Bah

why don't you covert just for the jokes like Tim Whatley ?

I already did. My people didn't endure all that stuff for 56 years for nothing.

BTW, your hero's bible quotation is more of a praphrase. The actual words are "I shall put my spirit.......not breath.....that's not in any of the popular English versions.

Also, I think Leosore uses it more as a political statement as the rest of the passage makes a refernce to God putting them back in their land or something like that. Youy'd never think of spirituality and Leoturd in the same sentence, would ya?

current banner: "Looking for Jewish Love"

come on, palo. Click the link. I know you want to.....

bah. I rather date a moop.

ok Donald (bubbleboy)

The problem with libertarians in general and Ron Paul in particular is that they don't approve any U.S. military action anytime, anywhere, under any circumstances, no matter what.

To be honest I can usually not distinguish a libertarian from any other label...but it would make sense if you really want a minimum government.
Just as it could make sense totake out individual potential problems before they manage to instigate chaos...the question have been suggested by Merkel's interior minister.

Isn't John Malkovich a libertarian? Gross, while drawn to absurdity it may make sense, depending in how fragile a situation that a journalist writes about. There sure is a lot of journalists that aren't especially careful about the facts and background of the subjects they write about.

And last week, the Hollywood actor John Malkovich did just that, telling the Cambridge Union that he would like to shoot me.

http://www.counterpunch.org/fisk0513.html

Old story but somewhat illustrative.

I do not envy the US it's list of presidential candidates. But I do prefer Romney, from the Republican side and Edwards from the Democrats.

Carter an idealist, but rather a sad and opportunistic demagogue

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Rice have said that Carter is the reason she became a republican. Albeit there may be a point of some of Israel's hard line policies have not been in their own long term interests.

Tragic about the greek fan that was stabbed to death after Olympiakos win against Panathinaikos (sp?).

Leo,

about feminists and Margret Thatcher...there are a lot of nuances between people who call themselves feminists. It's not like all people who can see that there are differtences in expectations between women and men that may be hampering for society would at all times believe that everything a woman says or does is clever, or even worth squat just by the merit of their gender. Just as there are numerous of examples that there are guys who haven't got their heads screwed on right and yet manages to find influentual positions and waste space that presumably someone else could have done better with.