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Pram

Exactly. The McCain camp is banking on the American public being stupid enough to just listen to that comment (which was taken out of context) instead of listening to the whole speech. And unfortunately the American public (in general) are stupid if they believe it. Because if you truly listen to the whole speech that Obama was making not once would you think he was slighting Palin.

Not to mention the countless other times the line was used by Cheney, McCain and others (as shown by Bill O'Reilly).

Casati wrote:Pram

Exactly. The McCain camp is banking on the American public being stupid enough to just listen to that comment (which was taken out of context) instead of listening to the whole speech. And unfortunately the American public (in general) are stupid if they believe it. Because if you truly listen to the whole speech that Obama was making not once would you think he was slighting Palin.

You better believe we are.

All of the Obama defenders around here. Now the McCain camp is suppose to defend him. Just imagine if McCain used a line saying you can put lipstick on a monkey .....

Falc wrote:All of the Obama defenders around here. Now the McCain camp is suppose to defend him. Just imagine if McCain used a line saying you can put lipstick on a monkey .....

Falc, you really are beginning to sound like an unintelligent fool. But, don't let me stop you. By all means, keep up the self-betraying innuendos that project what you really feel on somebody else.

Mate - Please, do not make remarks about unintelligent fools. The shit you have written about Obama has made people's heads spin. You know what my hypothetical implies. And the pig line did the same. Obama was stupid for using the lipstick remark a week after Palin made it in her speech. The audience got what he said. He wants to talk issues but all he has done is criticize McCain. That is not speaking issues. The Obama camp does what it can to eliminate its opponent. It attacked Biden when he made the remark about a young, eloquent speaker. It attacked Bill Clinton for being racist. This crap about McCain = Bush is not working. And trying to find dirt on Sarah Palin because the public is embracing her will back fire too. This is Obama's election to lose. Looks like he is trying.

"Let's not forget that those who were caught at this year's Tour, were caught because the doping agent sold to the cyclist had a "marker". This "marker" was tested for, because the doping control/test did not exist for the doping agent. And thus they were caught."

Wrong.

The eloquent one .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt ... re=related

I cannot say with certainty that Lance Armstrong never took drugs. I only know that he's never been caught doing so. Whether he's really clean, incredibly lucky, very smart or got an exceptionally clever doctor, that I don't know.

If the premise is that EVERYONE takes drugs,then he's still the best (though perhaps not in absolute historical terms), cause allegedly his competitors took drugs as well.

As for being stupid, Lance Armstrong didn't tell me his story and didn't beg me to watch his racing.
We live in a free country. If you don't like Lance Armstrong, there is always Usain Bolt From The Sky -

Falc

Honestly, some of what you postulate and propose, along with that fake belief act, is worthy of front seat tickets to a fundamentalist revival. Screamed to the audience: "Hallelujah! The power of the lord is upon me! I is been saved!"



You would do well in a socialist paradise.

OK Mate, go ahead and make it personal. Let's not discuss the issues. I am not sure where the hallelujah, power of the Lord stuff is coming from. Don't tell me you are drinking the Lilli juice again (only kidding).

I tell you what, I predict you will be the first person here to turn on the Obama Administration within two years.

I tell you what, I predict you will be the first person here to turn on the Obama Administration within two years.

I will turn against any administration that proves to be incompetent for the task at hand. I will turn against its party if they have had 8 years to prove otherwise, but yet failed miserably. They have failed catastrophically Falc. You know it and I know it. This is why I supported Kerry in 2004, me, a life long Republican.

I am willing to go with Obama and Democrats in hopes of a fresh start and change. Any sane and rational person would know that the odds are change will occur with them and not another Republican candidate. Yet you in your infinite wisdom have determined that Obama is so bad relative to the Republicans, that McCain and Palin stand a better chance at achieving positive change.

Falc, you might fool yourself, but you're not fooling me.

"I tell you what, I predict you will be the first person here to turn on the Obama Administration within two years."


Make it 6 to 12 months.

Teleprompter going out

Oh wow, that's embarrassing. He was lost. Not like any other politician would fair better though.

Leonid wrote:"I tell you what, I predict you will be the first person here to turn on the Obama Administration within two years."


Make it 6 to 12 months.

Do you really think he will win?

With all this talk about mate turning on Obama within 6 months to 2 years I take it that both Falc and Leo are predicting an Obama/Biden win?

Must I qualify every sentence I type by the "if" clause?

Leonid wrote:As for being stupid, Lance Armstrong didn't tell me his story and didn't beg me to watch his racing.
We live in a free country. If you don't like Lance Armstrong, there is always Usain Bolt From The Sky -

Leo - I didn't call you stupid. Just want to make sure you understand that.

I like good sport and good competition. So long as Lance provides that I will be watching next summer. Of course you know if he wins the TdF he will forever be linked to doping. Not that if he loses he will be vindicated.

Leonid wrote:Must I qualify every sentence I type by the "if" clause?

No you don't Leo. Just razzing up the troops.

It is their race to lose. Look, after 8 years of Bush, the Republicans are to be out. But there are a few women who have altered the political season. First, Palin has recharged the Republican base. And she has some appeal to the independents and moderates. Second is Hillary. While most of her supporters will vote Democrat, there will be a decent number who will stay at home or even vote for McCain. The last woman is Pilosi. Congress made its change two years ago. What has it done? The approval rating of Congress is no better than Bush.

So while Obama may be the logical view of change only because he is the Democratic candidate, the fact is that both candidates are very different from Bush. Obama is change only in the fact that he is from the other party. But it will be politics as usual inside my Beltway. McCain/Palin are the only side that can bring reform.

M&M:

Don't banter words with the ,an whjo not claims that Palin is clean as well as McCain but also Juve.,

Watched the Palin interview (part 1 it seems) on Nightline. She did good. The editing was a bit choppy. She did not pick up on the Bush Doctrine when Gibson asked her. So much for more of the same. Actually, her response and view is better than Bush.

Larry Kudlow

And look at all these headlines. The Washington Post has “Palin Energizing Women from All Walks of Life.” In particular, white women with children at home give Palin a favorable rating of 80 percent.

...white women with children at home give Palin a favorable rating of 80 percent.

Hmm, that describes my wife and a lot of her friends, but they're not favorable towards Palin.

Well....I know this is silly, but this happens to be America, where people suffer terribly, whenever there is a Republican in Da House, so folks go bananas sometimes (courtesy of the WSJ):

Gov. Palin's eyeglasses -- rimless $375 frames made by Kazuo Kawasaki (style series 704, color 34) -- are on back order, says Amy Hahn, vice president of Italee Optics Inc., the brand's U.S. distributor. To keep up with orders, which have more than quadrupled since the Republican National Convention, manufacturing has shifted to a 24-hour production cycle, Ms. Hahn says.

Captain Shithead wrote:"Let's not forget that those who were caught at this year's Tour, were caught because the doping agent sold to the cyclist had a "marker". This "marker" was tested for, because the doping control/test did not exist for the doping agent. And thus they were caught."

Wrong.

Why must you be so obnoxious??? Why can't you say "No, they retracted that statement."

Yes. I realize now that the article correcting the original statment made to the press got past me:


"Riccò's positive not the result of secret molecule

By Laura Weislo

Contrary to earlier reports, Italian Riccardo Riccò's positive for EPO was not the result of a "secret molecule" being added to the drug to allow anti-doping authorities to more easily detect it. World Anti-doping Agency president John Fahey seemingly made the statement on an interview with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation on Wednesday, but the agency's spokesman said his words may have been misinterpreted.

"No marker was inserted in the substance," the WADA spokesman said, clarifying that the tests which are being performed at the Tour de France are of a conventional nature. "Thanks to the fruitful cooperation of the manufacturer of this substance (Roche) and of WADA-accredited laboratories, which started in 2004, WADA received the molecule well in advance and was able to develop ways to detect it, including through the current EPO detection method."

A Roche spokesperson confirmed to Cyclingnews that the WADA president misspoke, and that there was nothing added to the drug to help its detection. However, news of a collaboration between the company and anti-doping authorities are true. "Roche has provided samples of Mircera and assay reagents to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) to help ensure that WADA laboratories will be able to carry out reliable anti-doping testing."

Riccò's 'A' sample from the Tour de France stage four time trial in Cholet came back positive for EPO, and he and his entire team pulled out of the race. The rider and his team-mate Leonardo Piepoli were subsequently fired. The scandal led team sponsor Saunier Duval to withdraw its support of the team.

It has been widely reported in the press that the molecule found in Riccò's sample was a new form of EPO known as Mircera, or CERA. The drug, which is used to treat anaemia, stimulates the production of red blood cells. It is similar enough to previous versions of EPO that a patent dispute between Roche and its competitor Amgen has blocked the commercialisation of Mircera in the United States. Amgen's patents in Europe expired two years ago, allowing Mircera to be marketed there beginning in 2007.

CERA is a recombinant version of the protein erythropoeitin, a hormone which stimulates red blood cell production in the bone marrow, just like previous incarnations of the drug. It is distinguished from previous version of the drug by being longer acting, like Aranesp, Amgen's longer-acting drug, which was found in the urine of cross country skiers in the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympic Games.

The misunderstanding about the 'secret molecule' may have arisen from descriptions of Mircera, which called it 'pegylated', meaning that it contains a molecule of polyethylene glycol, a stabilising agent which allows it to remain active longer.

"Mircera can be differentiated in samples from both naturally occurring erythropoeitin and from all other traditional ESA products [Erythropoeisis Stimulating Agents -ed.]," a Roche spokesperson stated. "The molecule is designed to assist in advancing the management of chronic kidney disease, not detection of illegal use.

This 'pegylated' protein was rumoured to be undetectable, but cooperation between drug manufacturers and the anti-doping authorities have put detection a step ahead of the cheaters.

Mary Klem, a spokesperson for Amgen, a competitor of Roche which sponsored the Tour of California, told Cyclingnews that this kind of collaboration took place during the Salt Lake City Games, where Amgen scientific director Steve Elliott helped anti-doping authorities confirm that the skiers had Aranesp in their samples.

"Amgen has - and continues to - actively support efforts to help develop effective tests to detect doping. We recently provided a scientific research grant to develop new and improved methods for EPO testing." "

Leonid wrote:I cannot say with certainty that Lance Armstrong never took drugs. I only know that he's never been caught doing so. Whether he's really clean, incredibly lucky, very smart or got an exceptionally clever doctor, that I don't know.

If the premise is that EVERYONE takes drugs,then he's still the best (though perhaps not in absolute historical terms), cause allegedly his competitors took drugs as well.

As for being stupid, Lance Armstrong didn't tell me his story and didn't beg me to watch his racing.
We live in a free country. If you don't like Lance Armstrong, there is always Usain Bolt From The Sky -

Yes and no: He is the best cyclist of his era (1999-2005) and nothing else.

At least Indurain did Giro and Tour.

Geez, even Pantani did Giro and Tour.

Falc wrote:Watched the Palin interview (part 1 it seems) on Nightline. She did good. The editing was a bit choppy. She did not pick up on the Bush Doctrine when Gibson asked her. So much for more of the same. Actually, her response and view is better than Bush.

What?! Again... you're missing the point. This proves that she is not well versed in foreign affairs. I can excuse you about not knowing about the Bush Doctrine. Hec I can excuse anybody for not knowing it. But I can't excuse the VPILF candidate. Sorry.

Leonid wrote:Well....I know this is silly, but this happens to be America, where people suffer terribly, whenever there is a Republican in Da House, so folks go bananas sometimes (courtesy of the WSJ):

Gov. Palin's eyeglasses -- rimless $375 frames made by Kazuo Kawasaki (style series 704, color 34) -- are on back order, says Amy Hahn, vice president of Italee Optics Inc., the brand's U.S. distributor. To keep up with orders, which have more than quadrupled since the Republican National Convention, manufacturing has shifted to a 24-hour production cycle, Ms. Hahn says.

More reason why the public can be so silly at times. Buy Palin's glasses and you'll end up looking as hot as she is. Palin wears them well. I'm not so sure many others can pull it off.

Well, it is obvious the Bush Doctrine is gone on 20 January, one way or the other. So much for more of the same.

Back to the travel per diem thing: Gov Palin charged over 300+ days to collect the per diem when she was not travleing. That's not right and that's not the act of an upright & honest person.

Also.. it's getting tiring to hear that she is the most knowledgable person regarding energy. What has she done regarding energy? And don't respond that she started the natural gas pipeline. Palin hasn't started anything. That project is still on paper. Nothing has started yet.

Not obnoxious, short and to the point pramzan.

Republicans always bank on people's stupidity. Democrats always appeal to the best, brightest and noblest in humans.

Thus voting for a law that allows to murder a newly-born, who was unsuccessfully (!) aborted is a sign of progressivism, while keeping a baby with the Down syndrome is a sure sign of religious extremism, intolerance and outright fascism.

Where are Catholics when I need them? I'm no longer looking for Jews - they've left the building of Reason and Common Sense.

In other words, John McCain and Sarah Palin surely have more flaws in their life-stories than I care to remember and recount, but for an average American to even contemplate the vote for the absolute nothing from the Chicago South Side is a sign of a sheer collective madness. It's a mass suicide.

Leo - This Catholic finds it very troubling. Of course, the Bidens and Pilosi's who are Catholic in name don't but that is one of the reasons I have moved to Independent. I guess I am not enlightened enough to hang with that crowd. And while McCain and Plain have flaws, it is what Christianity is about. We believe that there were only two perfect humans born in this world and they were Mother and Son.

You are the classic Catholic Supreme:

Racist, uninterested in facts, judgemental

You shuld convert to the Snake Charmers.

The attacks on me coming straight out of the Obama playbook.

Thanks but no thanks

You could use a little lipstick!

Falc wrote:Leo - This Catholic finds it very troubling. Of course, the Bidens and Pilosi's who are Catholic in name don't but that is one of the reasons I have moved to Independent. I guess I am not enlightened enough to hang with that crowd. And while McCain and Plain have flaws, it is what Christianity is about. We believe that there were only two perfect humans born in this world and they were Mother and Son.

Listen to this conversion! You have been voting Democrat for a while now, yet suddenly you have found the Lord? Dude, from now on, I am calling you Paul...Paul the Great!



Catholics can save more unborn lives outside of politics by providing assistance to unmarried mothers and unwanted children in large scale and scope. That stands more of a chance to address the issue than to enact a change through the political process. Never mind that, relatively speaking, it might be the lesser of evils to go against the so called pro-life candidates.

Again, this is a function of culture. Concerned people should become activist for the pro-life cause. If enough people care, then you won't really even need to change the laws.

I just found the Lord?

We actually agree about saving lives. The Catholic Church should do more to assist women, especially young women, who are contemplating terminating their pregnancy. But political leaders need to step it up too. Not hide behind a Supreme Court decision. Palin just expressed her personal decision in the Gibson interview. BTW, the liberals have been lying about how she would take away the choice from women. Based on what? Where has Palin made any such statement. The problem for them is that she has a different opinion, therefore, she is evil. Choice is only allowable if it leads to abortion. Not if it leads to life. Feminists are against her choice. Palin leads by example and she believes in her convictions. She does not impose them on anyone, unlike Obama.