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Sarah Palin's speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62wyVtaAIQc


Styrofoam Greek Columns@ROFL She destroyed that poseur.

Falc wrote:Oh yeah, forgot about you and Mike. I have not heard from him in years. BTW, no way in hell he would vote for Obama. He was as Republican as you get. I am not sure Fordham is considered elite. A good school but for working class stiffs like you.

Then stop calling me elitist.



As to Mike not being able to vote Democrat, remember, I also was a hard core Republican back in the day. I still am in touch with ex-officers, with more than a few going Democrat this time.

You are right, I should not call you an elitist. An elitist wanna-be maybe.

I'm just a regular Falc. I think you know what that means.

McCain is at the top of his game ?

Mental capacity strats to decline at about 40. This guy is not only old but not healthy. There is no way he can have the mental sharpness to be at the top of his game. If he ever had any game.

Just look at him and hear him speak. Look at how long it tales him to process thoughts.

Gimme a fucking break Falc. Just admitted it. You're a damn redneck with a revivalist agenda.

This has been a much more positive speech about our country than the one we heard a week ago. Last week, it sounded like I lived in a lousy place. Right now, I am proud to be an American again.

I skipped most of the monologue but I did hear him talk about Hope and doing for other's in Obama fashion. Barracuda as the closing song?

So does anyone have any doubts that this is a continuation of the last 8 years?

Falc, honestly, you are making me laugh. Talk about being willfully naive.



By the way, I own the Golden Gate bridge. How much can you pay for it?

Falc wrote:So does anyone have any doubts that this is a continuation of the last 8 years?

No.

Let's see:

Stay the course in Iraq, drill for oil, maintain the current health system and maybe invade Iran. Make tax cuts for the rich permanent.

You tell me, does it look like it?

mate wrote:Falc, honestly, you are making me laugh. Talk about being willfully naive.



By the way, I own the Golden Gate bridge. How much can you pay for it?

Is that one of those bridges to nowhere?

Like the Bridge she originally wanted and read on..................Basic


Incompetence From McCain
01 Sep 2008 02:14 pm

Marc files a dispatch on McCain's minimal vetting of Palin. All you can say from this - regardless of what happens with this Desperate Housewives subplot beginning to play out - is that McCain is more incompetent as an executive than Bush:

As the Palin pick turns 72 hours old, McCain's campaign is learning as much about her from the media and from Democrats as they are from what minimal political preparation they had...

They've bragged that Palin opposed the famous "Bridge to Nowhere," only to learn that Palin supported the project and even told residents of Ketchikan that they weren't "nowhere" to her. After the national outcry, she decided to spend the funds allocated to the bridge for something else. Actually, maybe it's more fair to say that coincident with the national outcry, she changed her mind. The story shows her political judgment, but it is not a reformer's credential.

Likewise, though she cut taxes as mayor of Wassila, she raised the sales tax, making her hardly a tax cutter.

She denied pressuring the state's chief of public safety to fire her sister-in-law's husband even though there's mounting evidence that the impetus did indeed come from her.
Ostensibly to clear her name, Palin asked her attorney general to open an independent investigation—the legislature had already been investigating. (I am told that the campaign was aware of the ethics complaint filed against her but accepts Palin's account.)

McCain's campaign seemed unaware that she supported a windfalls profits tax on oil companies and that she is more skeptical about human contributions to global warming than McCain is.

They did not know that she took trips as the mayor of Wasilla to beg for earmarks.

They did not know that she told a television interviewer this summer that she did not fully understand what it is that a vice president does.

An article from 3 days ago, that is the best you can do? If you are going to venture into the craft of cut and paste, go with something current.

Whoever wins the US presidency, I hope they realize that Islamic fundamentalism is not our greatest threat. Funny enough, though it didn't seem possible a decade ago, Russia might get an Atlantic coastline.

Leo & Falc...Speaking of Elitism

What do you think of the MAJOR GAFFE by Sarah Palin in ridiculing Obama having been a community organizer?



http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/e ... nity_N.htm

ST. PAUL — Some of the loudest roars at the Republican convention this week came when vice presidential pick Sarah Palin and former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani made fun of Democrat Barack Obama's experience as a community organizer. Hours later, the Obama campaign started raising money off the jokes.

"They insulted the very idea that ordinary people have a role to play in our political process," campaign manager David Plouffe wrote Thursday in an early-morning fundraising e-mail. "Let's clarify something for them right now. Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies."

Somebody better tell the 9-11 or California forest fire community organizers that they never really had any responsibilities in executing their tasks. They aren't Executive Leadership material.

First, how many votes are there to gain among community organizers? Second, the attack was not on community organizers, it was against Obama who belittled Palin for being a small town mayor. Funny how the elitist, Columbia/Harvard educated Obama is just an ordinary guy all of a sudden.

...it was against Obama who belittled Palin for being a small town mayor...

Can you cite an example of any this belittlement?

“Experience” is a topic Barack Obama has tended to avoid during the presidential campaign, yet when CNN’s Anderson Cooper told him yesterday that Republicans are saying “that Governor Palin has more executive experience, as mayor of a small town and as governor of a big state of Alaska,” the Democratic candidate replied: “Well, you know, my understanding is, is that Governor Palin’s town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We have got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year. You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month.”

Falc:

You and Juve's championships are a farce.

Just come out of the closet, tubby!!!

I have to admit, that was an excellent speech by John McCain.

I'm sure he pissed off many conservatives.

Mark Steyn
Credit where it's due


I would like to thank the US media for doing such a grand job this last week of lowering expectations by portraying Governor Palin - whoops, I mean Hick-Burg Mayor Palin - as a hillbilly know-nothing permapregnant ditz, half of whose 27 kids are the spawn of a stump-toothed uncle who hasn't worked since he was an extra in Deliverance.

How's that narrative holding up, geniuses? Almost as good as your "devoted husband John Edwards" routine?

I trust even now Maureen Dowd is working on a hilarious new column mocking proposed names for the Governor's first grandchild. Perhaps Richard Cohen can just take the week off and they can rerun his insightful analysis comparing the Palin nomination to Caligula making his horse a consul. Whereas we sophisticates all know that if McCain were as smart as Obama he'd have nominated a dead horse to be his consul. No wait...

Falc wrote:“Experience” is a topic Barack Obama has tended to avoid during the presidential campaign, yet when CNN’s Anderson Cooper told him yesterday that Republicans are saying “that Governor Palin has more executive experience, as mayor of a small town and as governor of a big state of Alaska,” the Democratic candidate replied: “Well, you know, my understanding is, is that Governor Palin’s town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We have got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year. You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month.”

One: This does not sound like belittlement.

Two: I want to see a source for the above.

Try again.

pramzan wrote:I have to admit, that was an excellent speech by John McCain.

I'm sure he pissed off many conservatives.

Excellent? Maybe in rallying the troops. Maybe because he didn't specifically attack anyone. It was very bi-partisan. But in the end he (as usual) he said nothing. He didn't get specific (must admit I didn't expect him to get specific) and it was quite predictable.

Why did do you think he ticked the conservatives?

Mate - You need to watch the news. If you are using the Huffington Post for your source, you are not getting the whole picture. The comments I posted were on a TV interview. If you watched it, you would see the elitist smugness at work.

Mate, why not check these sources. You do know how to Google, right?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1220576 ... lenews_wsj

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/09 ... _coop.html

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/20 ... ef=opinion

And I like this transcript, which includes the uh's in between sentences ....

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/02/o ... ampaigner/

Falc

Is it that hard to answer the question? Give me a citation and not sources for me to sift through.

Are you serious? The quotes are found in each of those articles. This is not some law review article. You want a citation? Words spoken by Barack Obama on CNN. And why are you questioning me in the first place? It was on CNN Anderson Cooper 360. It was shown on all of the cable news outlets. Click one of them and you will see what he said verbatim. Should have seen him today in Scranton. He was asked about using coal as it is abundant in that area. He goes off about Illinois having a lot of coal. Talks about setting up grids for alternative energy. Ends up quoting Kennedy and reaching the moon, that when he made that statement, scientists had no idea about getting there. I guess John Glenn was going for joy rides during those days. So he never answered the question, just gave some dreamy response that shows he has no idea of getting the job done.

Anyway, quit being a pain in the ass. You might as well be working for the Obama campaign with your faint attempts to deflect anything negative written about your guy.

Anyway, quit being a pain in the ass. You might as well be working for the Obama campaign with your faint attempts to deflect anything negative written about your guy.

Just as I thought, you have nothing. Sorry Falc, but what you cited is not belittlement. It is comparative. Obama was quite plainly pointing out that his work entailed more responsibility. He did not at all make fun of the position of Mayor. On the other hand, Palin 100% was ridiculing Community Organizers, stating that they have no responsibilities, strongly inferring that it is meaningless work.

You sure are working overtime to make those rose colored glasses fit.

Anyways, let's take this from another angle. I am hearing that Palin went to 5 schools in 6 years. I am not sure of the particulars. Can you or Leo provide this? Hell, she might have even gone to your state school. If she has, I definitely would like to see a GPA.

Another Thing Falc

He goes off about Illinois having a lot of coal. Talks about setting up grids for alternative energy.

These are fine ideas. In fact, I am in an area booming with alternate energy R&D and start-up companies. As long as the general economy is stable, this innovation will come through for us. Moreover, the US is has one of the largest coal reserves on the planet. Sure, some government incentive and subsidy will help.

In fact, Bush commissioned several billions dollars worth of R&D between a group of US energy holding companies, like AEP and Texas Power, in which the Chinese asked to participate, ponying up $300 million just to get in. China too wants to get off of foreign oil dependence, as it has massive coal deposits. The goal is to obtain clean fire coal through carbon sequestering. The race is on.

But, more to the point, what did you want Obama to say? What do you know of alternate energy that would have passed your discerning judgment? How is what Obama said any less specific than what I hear Governor Palin say about drilling in Alaska and using other alternate energies. Have you heard any specifics by anybody?

Let's have it Falc. What are your expectations as a voter on this issue? I want to compare notes.

Sure Mate, running the campaign entails more responsibility. For instance, how much do styrofoam columns cost? So while it is comparison by Obama, it is ridiculing by Palin. How sweet. Go ahead Mate, put the responsibilities of a community organizer above that of a mayor. Great argument.

I saw something about her attending different schools. Before you attack that, so did Obama. So you want to see a GPA of over 20 years. You are going to make a great CEO if you use that for your hiring process.

You just don't get it, do you? He talks about a bunch of crap that has nothing to do with responding to the question so that in the end, people forget what was the question that he did not answer.

The bottom line Mate is that while Obama has criticized McCain for not having any specific plans, neither does he. He speaks in generalities. He is afraid to say anything that may offend potential voters. He is a politician. Says one thing in Scranton and another in San Francisco.

Falc

Obama had a fairly straight path of matriculation. 2 years at Occidental College. 2 years at Colombia. He worked for 4 years and then went to law school at Harvard. This is a fairly common and straight forward academic history, culminating in a summa cum laude law degree.

Again, I have no gripe with the way one executes their education. I told you before that Bill Gates and Larry Ellison are college drop outs. Larry even had poor grades, failing some classes. But look at these geniuses now.

When somebody is looking for a serious executive role, I consider the total history. First and foremost, I look for a history of applied achievement. Then I look at academic background, especially if the former is lacking. Well, since Palin hardly has significant professional achievements, it is natural that I am scrutinizing her academic record...to see if the lack of leading edge professional achievement is a pattern or an exception.

I'd be interested to hear more on her academic record. Obama, Biden, and McCain have faced and weathered this routine scrutiny. Let's reciprocate with Palin.

You sound just like Obama. So Palin hardly has significant professional achievements. Are you fucking serious? I guess elected as governor of a state, mind you that it is the biggest energy producer in the Union and the biggest land mass, is of no signficance. She has only governed the last two years and got into the political race only a week ago while your candidate has spent his Capitol Hill career running for office and not getting anything accomplished even though his party took command of the Hill. Keep it coming Mate.

The comparison with Gates is irrelevant. Such men don't enter the world of politics. Obama gasbags do. That's what your fu.cking community organizing is all about.

You tell me, Obamaphil, what exactly does Missus O. do? University of Chicago Hospital's V-P for external affairs? You gotta be kiddin' me. We know how many such euphemisms the Left invented for the past 70+ years, don't we? -

Would you trust your son's life to a lawyer like that?

P.S. Wouldn't you agree that at least half the country is sick and tired of such phonies as Al Gore, John Kerry, Howard Dean and Barrack Obama? What exactly did they achieve in their privileged lives? Consider George Bush the Hall of Shamer as well.

Perhaps American people should revolt and abolish all kinds of a taxpayer-provided incomes for anyone beyond the acting administration. No salaries for the members of the U.S.Congress. Not a penny. They claim they serve the people. Well, we the people should hire them as our virtual slaves.

Most of them can easily afford to live without monetary rewards from us, anyway.

I find it interesting that the pundits examine every single word spoken by McCain or Palin to impugn that they are lying about Obama's record. Yet, the same is not done when the Great O speaks. Politicians tend to exaggerate and both sides do it. But only one side gets called on it.

Falc wrote:The bottom line Mate is that while Obama has criticized McCain for not having any specific plans, neither does he. He speaks in generalities. He is afraid to say anything that may offend potential voters. He is a politician. Says one thing in Scranton and another in San Francisco.

Funny, I think you just described yourself in how you answer my questions.



I'm still waiting for an answer regarding alternate energy and the candidates. You brought this up regarding Obama and coal, to which I responded. Now respond to my refuting that Obama was any less vague than Palin or McCain on this issue...never mind what you possibly would want to hear anyways.

Again Falc, you clearly have a gut level feel and nothing else. You even admitted it at one point. And, you keep contradicting yourself on many issues. Again, this is fine and is your right as an American to act upon. But, it is also my right to note contradictions...especially your voting for a party you have railed against for 8 years, all because of 1 man. That is really constructive and smart.



Our country is facing a challenge, similar to that of the Great Depression and the rise of Hitler. Our economy is seriously faltering. Rising authoritarian powers like Russia and China collaborate all over the world with other interests to deliberately undermine the United States. Their companies, backed by their governments, buy American assets with impunity, while Shell and BP get kicked out of Russia. Companies like Gazprom just last week signed major co-development energy ventures with the Nigerian government, making a huge gain in an African continent teeming with commodity resources and anti-Americanism. I follow these things pretty closely Falc, and suffice to say, it's not a pretty picture.

McCain and Palin can promise all the change they want. It's ironic how they are now trying to steal the core platform of the Democrat Party, eh? But like I said, this is beyond one man or woman, important as such people are as President and Vice President. The same policies and operational shortcomings that you have attacked in the past 8 years are likely to continue with the Republicans. Save some suicidal gaffe by the Democrats, they are not getting my vote.

Leonid wrote:P.S. Wouldn't you agree that at least half the country is sick and tired of such phonies as Al Gore, John Kerry, Howard Dean and Barrack Obama? What exactly did they achieve in their privileged lives? Consider George Bush the Hall of Shamer as well.

I wouldn't call all these men phonies and I would say that a majority of Americans cannot tell the difference between a competent leader versus a self serving technocrat or bureaucrat. The latter are produced in mass by the greater culture that we are part of. Our culture increasingly fosters a parasitic relationship between a cult of personality and lottery ticket minded supporters across social, economic, and political dimensions of life. The former panders to the latter while the latter looks for entitlements from the former.

Yes, this is a historically bankrupt leftist phenomenon, a socialist mentality that rewards anybody but the productive and vital middle class. But, that has been my point all along Leo. We've come full circle. Both Republicans and Democrats engage in this entitlement minded, bury your head in the sand Emperor with No Clothes game where servile masses support crony elites. It is hard to find leaders anymore who know what the hell they are talking about or know how to be honest. It's all about demographic identity politics.

We're going to re-learn some hard lessons on how the world operates. Not every society is willing to sell their national assets for tactical profit margin gains. While we fuck each other over, great Russian, nationalist Han, and Parthian empires dream and work towards their dreams. You know all about this as damn well as I do. And you know damn well that you and I are on the same team...although in our society the notion of being Western is a laughing joke.

The Republicans had 8 years to do something to change this general deterioration. Time is up. I'm gambling on a different party...and quite a different face, one who happens to be as competent as anybody else on the current ballets. As we're competing with the Russians and Chinese in Asia and Africa, this matters.