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Pram

I read this morning that Palin told a McCain lawyer about her pregnant daughter last week before she was selected to be the VP.

In the end it really doesn't matter to 95% of the US population that Palin's daughter is pregnant. Kids are kids. Parents try their best and guess what... it doesn't always turn out the way they envision it. How many things did all of us do as teenagers that would have made our parents go to the nut house had they known what we did? As parents you do your best at teaching kids right from wrong. In the end, it's in the children's hands and not the parents.

In the end (as Leo stated) I'm not sure that McCain will lose the election because of this poor choice (and it is a poor choice). But I still can't believe that McCain's camp couldn't find a more qualified, more solid VP candidate.

Last night on Larry King Live a republican congresswoman from Minnessota was asked by Larry King if Sarah Palin was the best qualified female VP candidate available. Of course this congresswoman (who was licking Sarah Palin's ass like it was chocolate sundae) couldn't answer yes to King's question. Matter of fact, she didn't answer the question at all. Wonder why.

Then Jim Carville hold up a picture of the Wasilla City Hall where Sarah Palin was mayor for 2 years before becoming governor. Carville stated that this city hall looked like a "bait shop in Louisiana". LMFAO!

Nice debate guys; the times they are heating up. Too much to comment on but I do want to chime in on this:

"No one appears to have kept a copy of his application for the Illinois bar"

Leo,

It's likely Obama didn't take the bar exam in Illinois and may have been admitted under the rule known as reciprocity, but he obviously still had to apply or file a motion. Here's his registration with the Illinois Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission.

http://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=987091779

He was not admitted with most new attorneys who took the bar exam that summer as we were sworn in November of 1991 and he was admitted in December of 1991. He's been inactive since 2002.

I was admitted on the same date with the Maryland Court of Appeals. I stated that I was present that day.

Bineaz - Does Illinois allow reciprocity immediately? Obama graduated from Harvard in 1991. If he took the Pennsylvania bar, would Illinois admit right away or would he be required to practice for a period of time before admittance?

Falc,

That's a good question. I can't find where else he took the bar but it's strange he wasn't admitted with the rest of us.

I was admitted on the same date with the Maryland Court of Appeals.

Same day as Obama; so you are both junior to me?

Bineaz

Thanks. National Review could use your legal expertise.

Markino

It spells trouble for the McCain campaign if true. I don't mean pregnancy, but the way they operate. Now I begin to appreciate the genius of Karl Rove. For it takes no less than genius to make the POTUS out of George Bush -

Joe Lieberman is a nice man, which isn't good enough in politics. He would give John McCain no votes whatsoever on the Left, while keeping so many conservatives on the Right home.

Joe Lieberman is a nice man, which isn't good enough in politics. He would give John McCain no votes whatsoever on the Left, while keeping so many conservatives on the Right home.

This is the kind of partisan identity based voting that is destroying the political system. Everything comes down to a set of ticket punch ideological qualifications as opposed to true character and leadership and management ability. This is no less a distorting fundamentalism as something formally religious.

Is it that important that a Palin fits a checklist of beliefs that supposedly conform to a Conservative Creed? Likewise, a left of center candidate can be held to a Principles of Socialism checklist. All you get is a apparatchik type of technocrat or bureaucrat, in most cases, from this type of ideological vetting. And, as we have seen in the past 8 years, the world is a bit more complicated than that. Never mind that such a process does nothing to evaluate and present character.

Hell, most people now a days don't even know what character is. Both left and right sure try hard to obfuscate this and cement partisan divisions. Why? Elites on both sides, when it comes down to it, simply want to earn a living and have jobs. This is more true than ever in US politics.

We're becoming like the rest of the world. The scary thing is what kind of world will emerge in the absence of a robust political culture that once put a premium on things like civil and political liberties, plurality, rule of law, free market tuning and balancing, and social contract...with leaders truly committed to this. Such things don't just happen in and of themselves and inertia can only take you so far.

Interesting times.

Leo & Markino

Again, we are kidding ourselves. The whole Palin selection is a joke, any way you look at it. This is one of those situations where Rove probably asked doubters to trust in the science of identity based political scoring.

One: It says a lot about so called leaders when they succumb to this.

Two: It says even more about an electorate that cannot differentiate candidates any way but in base identity comparisons.

Case in point: Why in God's name would a Hilary loving PUMA vote for McCain over Obama? Just because Palin is a woman? In sheer defiance of every position Hilary stands for? Look, I understand that to a degree identity affiliation is a draw and there is no shame in that. But when it is the decisive criteria, well, you have to wonder.

Oh yeah, the issues being discussed really don't mean much anyways. All these candidates will be as pragmatic as possible, making their character and competence the most important factors.

Hell, at this point, I'm just entertained. Life goes on.

mate wrote:This is the kind of partisan identity based voting that is destroying the political system. Everything comes down to a set of ticket punch ideological qualifications as opposed to true character and leadership and management ability. This is no less a distorting fundamentalism as something formally religious.

Mate - Why is it that you overlook Palin's true character, leadership and management ability? I hope it is not because she is a woman. She was not picked solely because of political ideology. That helped but McCain picked her because of her character, leadership and management ability.

The real joke is the media selection of Obama as the anointed one and the refusal to truly check his background to see if he is fit to lead this country.

Falc

You make no sense whatsoever. I already discussed ad nauseum Palin's lack of leadership and management credentials. Your reducing this to a gender issue is base child level doublethink.

Who do you think you are fooling?



It is increasingly clear to me that Palin is a shameless fool for agreeing to be a pawn in an identity driven political calculus. The more I read, the more I notice that she is the one in fact injecting her family into politics. Make no mistake, I think that attacks on her family are disgusting, but she explicitly talks about her son in the military and has her whole family fly for photo ops, especially in ways that stress her being a mother.

I feel bad for this lady. I really do. It is clear she has no damn idea of what she has gotten into.

And sure, there is some statistical chance that she might learn on the job and blossom in a formidable running mate and potential VP. Maybe she is a future president of the United States? But, by the same token, Brittany Spears too might be so accomplished one day. And, as you know, in Italy, they did have Ciccolina.

Anything goes.

Yes Mate, because your bullshit is more credible than anyone else.

Should the Obama children been in Denver last week? Was it for a photo op? She was announced by McCain as his VP candidate. Of course the family would attend. That is the custom. Biden's family was at the convention. You are going to far to find something wrong. Is she the greatest candidate ever? No. But she is not that bad either. Obama selected a person as his running mate who was clearly rejected twice by Democrats in his run for the top spot. He did not have the balls to bring on Clinton, who received 18 million votes. He left the process to Caroline Kennedy, whomever she may be. And please, this comparison to Britney. Are you kidding? We are talking about an elected governor of a State in the Union. You should have some respect for that.

Falc, fine, she was elected as Governor of Alaska, although that is hardly a cutting edge political position. And, did you see the town hall where she used to be mayor? It looks like a fishing market!



I can see Obama, Biden, or McCain being strong leaders who, for example, can deal with a Putin. Sarah? Please.

You know yourself as do most Republicans that this is a joke when you say that she is not the greatest candidate ever.

This has been making the rounds.

Palin: ‘What is it exactly that the VP does every day?’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtilB1teksc

That was a month ago. LOL

Yes, Putin will be afraid of someone who worked at a community affairs office. Your argument is non-sequitor. Biden has chaired Senate commitees. I see Putin shaking in his boots. McCain, on the other hand, told his Vietnames captors to fuck off. So please Mate, stop this ad nauseum of the supposed leadership of Obama. Being a popular cult figure will not make Putin think twice.

bineaz wrote:This has been making the rounds.

Palin: ‘What is it exactly that the VP does every day?’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtilB1teksc

That was a month ago. LOL

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!

Is this for real?

Yea mate, it's been on the main stream media.

Maybe we should give her the benefit of the doubt--she was just being coy.

Mate

I think Falc has said it all. Let me just add that we know that John McCain is George Bush Lite, that the GOP should be punished, that Fannie and Freddie have no connection whatsoever to the Great Donkey Party, that Neocons never offer an apology on their Israeli knee-caps and that the U.S. economy is crumbling before our eyes.

We know all that.

But please - I'm begging you - cease this preposterous Obamafest. He's nothing. Nutting. At all. Sheer mediocrity, an affirmative action baby from the most corrupted city in the nation. No more than that.

Perhaps you feel guilty and personally responsible for the Black slavery, but I don't. My ancestors didn't own slaves. So I don't feel like proving to the South Side racial hustlers my anti-racist credentials.

Usually I wouldn't hold it against any politician, but is it any wonder that the Arab world and Russian fascists are rooting for Obama?

One of them has made it abundantly clear: "I think Obama is an American Gorbachev and he's going to destroy America".

Russians are no geniuses of course, but in this instance I think they understand something you don't.

What is amazing to me is that it is so rare for such a fine, brave, likeable candidate as Mrs. Palin to make it so far. We didn't always have only very rich people or children of politicians running for higher office. Harry Truman, one of my favorite presidents, for one, was a failed haberdasher. I have been trying to figure out when and why we developed an almost iron clad rule that presidential and vice presidential candidates had to fit a certain template -- come from rich and/or politically prominent families, have Ivy League degrees and/ or have spent years in the House or Senate.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/ ... ngton.html

markino

as mmaggi stated, McCain knew that her daughter was pregnant.

(And if he didn't, then his camp is just saying that he did just to save face)

As far as I'm concerned this is deliberate. You figure Palin is a member of the NRA, a woman, and pro-life. That's 3 HUGE voting sectors won over.

For amoment I thought that Loesorous had actually learned Englich but he was simply cutting and pasting, as usual.

Loot at McCain's ,outh being owned by Brown at CNN:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washing ... brown.html

Dems: Selfish Lieberman the "Barry Bonds" of D.C.
Sure, Democrats are furious with Joe Lieberman's decision to salute John McCain from the podium of the Republican National Convention -- but his tie-breaking role in the Senate means they can't exact revenge anytime soon.

"If you've been in Washington too long like he has the world gets turned upside down -- your opinions become firm but your principles become flexible," said Illinois Rep. Rahm Emanuel, the architect of the 2006 Democratic takeback of the House, speaking of Lieberman.

Endorsing McCain was one thing, Emanuel said, but accepting a hero's welcome in the belly of the GOP beast is "something different."

"Hey, I'm all for having friendships regardless of party labels, but I'm also for my principles," he added. "And Joe has fundamental differences with McCain on the environment, a woman's right to choose... What you can't do anymore is just roll your eyes and say, 'Oh, that's just Joe.' Lieberman knows what he's doing and there are consequences."

Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, said Lieberman "can speak to whatever group he wants but that doesn't change the fact that John McCain is a flawed candidate."

In private, members of the Democratic caucus talk openly, and with relish, about making Lieberman pay -- but his Senate colleagues have been far more reluctant to cry for his scalp in public.

Democrats on the outside stopped just short of slapping the traitor tag on Lieberman, who was forced to run as an independent after being bested in the 2006 Democratic primary by anti-war candidate Ned Lamont.

"Ned Lamont was right," quipped Howard Wolfson, Hillary Clinton's former communications director and top strategist.

"Joe will be very happy in the Republican party where the dominant ethic is selfishness -- he's just like Barry Bonds when it comes to selfishness," said former Bill Clinton adviser Paul Begala. "If you're hanging off the edge of a cliff by a rope, you don't want to look up and see Joe Lieberman... I'm sure he'll be just as loyal to the Republicans as he was to us."

Yet despite widespread disdain for Lieberman as a turncoat -- Senate Democrats have been reluctant to strip Lieberman of his position as chairman of the homeland security committee or even say anything too nasty about him in public.

The Obama campaign declined comment.

James Carville, Begala's compadre on the 1992 Clinton campaign, say's he not "shocked or angry" -- and is more upset at Lieberman for his oversight of the Hurricane Katrina cleanup first as ranking member of the committee, then as its head.

"I just wish he had been as passionate about FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers as he is about John McCain," said the Lousiana native, speaking from New Orleans. "Hopefully he'll tell the convention wat a great job he did on overseeing [former FEMA cheif] Michael Brown."

Still, Carville ruefully admitted there was nothing Democrats could do to punish Lieberman without huge wins in November that render Lieberman less relevant.

"They are being smart, they can't touch him yet, It's just arithmetic, buy a calculator," he added.

A source close to Reid said the leader has told his advisers, "We'll take another look at things after the election."

Martin Kady II contributed to this report

Leonid wrote:But please - I'm begging you - cease this preposterous Obamafest. He's nothing. Nutting. At all. Sheer mediocrity, an affirmative action baby from the most corrupted city in the nation. No more than that.

I made it clear why I am supporting Obama and it certainly has nothing to do with him being a messianic deliverer. I use the term gamble often enough in describing my hopes for his hypothetical Presidency. Given what the Republican party has presided over, I honestly feel that there really isn't much choice in the matter.

Perhaps you feel guilty and personally responsible for the Black slavery, but I don't. My ancestors didn't own slaves. So I don't feel like proving to the South Side racial hustlers my anti-racist credentials.

Excellent Leo. We share at least one thing in common.

Usually I wouldn't hold it against any politician, but is it any wonder that the Arab world and Russian fascists are rooting for Obama?

One of them has made it abundantly clear: "I think Obama is an American Gorbachev and he's going to destroy America".

Russians are no geniuses of course, but in this instance I think they understand something you don't.

Destruction is not going to happen across even a few bad presidencies. However, I share your red alert alarm bells that we're going in the wrong direction and that serious leadership is needed to put this nation back on a path of growth and development. And, there is no time like the present to start settings things to right.

Like I said, Obama has an opportunity to apply creative leadership for reasons I have outlined in past posts. However, specific to your point, there is an opportunity to foster a Central Asian Islamic alliance against a clearly authoritarian and xenophobic minded Russia. Note I am not talking about Arabs, but rather about Turks, Kazakhs, Chechens, Uighers, and such. The Islamic world is not monolithic by any means. Central Asians have been itching to become powers again. Maybe it is time somebody help them realize their ambitions?

But, if I am wrong, consider what I told you many months ago: if Obama is the anti-Christ that you think he is, this will manifest itself quickly. He and his supporters will show themselves. So, let's get on with it. If this happens, then there should be enough patriotic Americans who care enough to take a stand.

If not, well, at least we will know, right?

Oh yeah...I find it a contradiction that Russians cannot be smart but yet know that Obama is going to destroy America. I sure wish I had their crystal ball.

Mate

Let's talk about Arabs for a while, as opposed to Asians in general. The latter case would tax my limited wits beyond repair:)

Why would Arabs be on our side and not side with Russia? The more troublesome this world gets (in no small measure thanks to Russia), the more expensive oil becomes. As simple as that.

Look what Arabs do with their money. From Citibank to Manchester City. Look what Russians do, from Prague to London and beyond.

In a few short years the balance of power has changed dramatically.

And what do we do? We argue like old fools who's better, Obama or McCain.

We need engineers, but we educate them for China and Korea. We need millions of free-thinking people, but we give more and more power to the state.

We argue about Sarah Palin's daughter, but who gives a f.uck? We measure the Vietnam imprisonment against the City of Chicago political culture and Alaskan provincial Republican against Delaware chateau Democrat.

It's apples and oranges and it's all irrelevant. All of it. Rubbish.

yeah no kidding. ManCity bought by people from the UAE. Western nations are losing their company's at an alarming rate. 10 years ago you would have been saying "Fly Where ?"

What's that saying again ? All great civilizations die of suicide.

America and the West in general are not immune from this.

Leo

I specifically differentiated Arabs from Turks and Central Asian Muslims. There is a difference, one that can be exploited. But, we'll see what November brings us. At the very least, it will be interesting.

As far as the other things you mentioned, well, I commented many times on the cultural degradation at work in America. Stupid as it sounds, this has its roots in what I saw from many of my high school peers who ridiculed notions of academic excellence, extracurricular pursuits like art and music, and a respect for authority. Hell, even my uneducated parents saw the value of knowing math, chemistry, even real estate and financial basics.

But, it cannot be good when most people I knew were are pissing away their youth in pursuit of ego and sensory gratification, ranging from drugs to alcohol to club hopping to material possession. What you note as irrelevant isn't in the mind of people who came up this way, at least based on revenues in selling such trash to them.

I don't know how to fix things here anymore. A lot of Americans are angry and have a chip on their shoulders. They expect government to give them things. Never mind the self hating leftist anti-American spin increasingly gaining credibility. Never mind that little respect is given to traditional Judeo-Christian and Greco-Roman institutions by pop culture...the very institutions that once helped shape opinion, even generating a sense of patriotism.

McCain cancels Larry King Live Interview

The McCain camp was angered by this pro-Dem reporter (Campbell Brown) totally biased interview about Sarah Palin with McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds. It didn't help that Tucker Bounds is a pussy. The camera even caught her gleefully smiling and mocking Tucker Bounds as she referred to him as "baby." Can you imagine the uproar if he had called her "baby?"

Kudos to McCain for giving CNN the finger. This clown Tucker Bounds better grow some balls soon.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/01/brown.tucker.bounds.interview.cnn?iref=videosearch

I, by the way, don't advocate our military involvement in Georgia, but at the same time - what are we spending $500 bil a year for?

Russian Armed Forces are pathetic, everyone knows it, every Russian babooshka knows it, yet we can do nothing against it. Why?

Because they KNOW we value life and civilization more than they do. They ruthlessly exploit our devotion to the UN, international charters and above all political correctness.

I've said it 7 years ago and I'll say it again: what do we need a UN membership for?

The mistake the West in general is still perpetuating is in thinking that somehow pre-revolutionary and modern Russia was and is different from the old USSR. That Russians are good guys and the Soviets were bad. This is the biggest self-delusion of our times.

The latest joke/battlecry of Russia, both funny and sad:

For Joseph Stalin against Stalin's motherland! -

The mistake the West in general is still perpetuating is in thinking that somehow pre-revolutionary and modern Russia was and is different from the old USSR. That Russians are good guys and the Soviets were bad. This is the biggest self-delusion of our times.

I think it was prudent to give them a chance. But, now when the Russians have seemingly achieved an advantageous position, they are showing their true colors...which is still RED.



Don't worry Leo. Illusion is quickly turning into disillusion. In Europe. In Central Asian states. Certainly in the United States. Maybe even in Russia, although it probably won't matter for the poor bastards stuck there.

The Russians played their hand too early. They did more for us than any American lobbying could have. Again, there is now a window of opportunity to shore up the Western alliance...expanding it and leveraging it to gain economically.

Tale of the tape .....

http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstat ... rack-obam/

Desperate or you simply take us for idiots?

LMAO! I saw that Tucker fellow get served by Campbell Brown on CNN. It was embarassing, really. The poor fellow didn't know that Palin deployed the national guard on several occasions to combat forest fires (yeah... there's some foreign affairs experience for ya...!)

What's funny (as usual with the RNC) is the non-sequitors and contradictions they put forward. Obama is so unqualified but Palin is so qualified; let's remove ourselves from the Beltway Boys (see the Sarah Palin selection) even though John McCain is a career Beltway Boy; Country First with a nice tribute to the vets with messages promoting patriotism but on the other hand heaven forbid you challenge anything in this party then you're a traitor and not wanted. What was really funny was seeing Joe Lieberman speak last night in an attempt to show that the Republican party loves and accepts all. LMFAO! What a bunch of hypocrits and John McCain is the new leader of the bunch. What's funny is that years ago I truly believed he was the exception of the bunch. Boy was I fooled.

Isn't this the part that Swift boated John Kerry to death?

Is that patriotic?

I saw the interview too with Campbell Brown and I was quite surprised. She was mean, quite honestly. I can understand if she was interviewing some republican pundit like Anne Coulter but this guy didn't deserve that kind of treatment.

That said, McCain is a fool for not going on Larry King.

How does he expect to make it in this business?

pramzan wrote:I saw the interview too with Campbell Brown and I was quite surprised. She was mean, quite honestly. I can understand if she was interviewing some republican pundit like Anne Coulter but this guy didn't deserve that kind of treatment.

That said, McCain is a fool for not going on Larry King.

IMO Campbell Brown was doing her job. She asked a specific question that that worm didn't have an answer. All he needed to say was I'm not aware of any decisions that Gov. Palin made with the Alaska National Guard. Instead he tried to weasel his way out of giving an answer to which Campbell Brown was not going to give up on.

I must say this: this was the first time I saw Campbell Brown grill someone like that.

Did you see Larry King ask the Congresswoman from Minn (forgot her name) on Monday night if she thought Palin was the best qualified female the Rep party could have chosen? She starting answering "well the McCain camp thinks......." to which Larry King interupted her by asking (again) if she (not the McCain camp) felt that Palin was the best qualified female the Rep party could have chosen? Of course the congresswoman didn't answer the question again to which Larry King pointed out again that she was not answering the question.

These journalists are finally getting tough. Answer the frieking question you're asked or make a statement saying that you don't have an answer for the questions. Don't sit there and respond with weasel like answer.

Also.... did anyone notice how the McCain camp is protecting Palin from the media? She hasn't had a single interview with anyone from CNN, NBC, Fox, ABC, etc. Wonder why......