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Postby mate on 07 Apr 2005, 20:55

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Leo and Mate remind me of immigrants to America who, having come to the "promised land" cannot accept that it should not be the absolute best in all regards


You don't know neither Leo nor me.

You don't know Americans.

Come to think of it, you really don't know much about anything.

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Postby Leonid on 07 Apr 2005, 21:51

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If not for Eugene, we wouldn't know that belonging to the U.S.Armed Forces disqualifies anyone as a credible historian.

Perhaps the same way as Winston Churchill's accounts of Sudan and South Africa and Julius Caesar's "Commentaries on the Gallic War" shouldn't be taken seriously:)
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Postby Synthese on 08 Apr 2005, 05:48

Ho hum, more blather from Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dumb.
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Postby mate on 08 Apr 2005, 19:47

Eugene & Synthese

What do you all think of these ratios?

http://www.grolier.com/wwii/wwii_8.html

Anglo-American Invasion of French North Africa: November 1942-May 1943

On May 13, all Axis forces laid down their arms in surrender. About 240,000 prisoners were taken, including 125,000 Germans. Col. Gen. Dietloff Jurgen von Arnim, the German commander in Tunis, was among those captured. Field Marshal Rommel escaped.

With the surrender of Axis forces in Tunis, no Germans or Italians remained in arms in Africa. From the time that Italy entered the war in June 1940, the number of Axis soldiers killed or captured in Africa totaled about 950,000. Approximately 2,400,000 gross tons of Axis shipping were sunk, and 8,000 aircraft were destroyed. In addition, 6,200 guns, 2,500 tanks, and 70,000 trucks were captured or destroyed. Allied shipping losses and British losses in army equipment in 1942 were also heavy and serious. Casualties in personnel, however, were only a fraction of those suffered by the Axis. Apart from the heavy Axis losses, the latter stages of the campaign in North Africa brought the Allies many advantages.


Conquest of Sicily: June-August 1943

Axis forces in Sicily numbered about 75,000 Germans and 275,000 Italians. The German forces included the 15th Panzer Division with about 60 tanks and the Hermann Goering Division with about 100 tanks. The Italians had four divisions and 100 light tanks.

The Allied invasion fleet, comprising 3,000 ships and craft carrying about 140,000 men and covered by powerful naval and air forces

all Axis resistance in Sicily had ceased. Allied casualties included 6,896 Americans and 12,843 British. Axis killed, wounded, and prisoners numbered about 164,000, of whom approximately 32,000 were Germans. The Allies captured or destroyed about 1,500 aircraft, 78 armored fighting vehicles, 287 guns, and 3,500 motor vehicles.

For the immediate above information, consider the ratio of American casualties against their deployed numbers versus those suffered by the Germans.

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Mind you Eugene, I am not at all suggesting combat power can only be gauged by such raw statistics...albeit such numbers so far uphold that the US Army was simply too good for the Wermacht in the long run.

Trust me, I am compiling some of my books into soft copy to illustrate a few battles that articulate incredible victorious American combined arms command, control, and communications operations against elite German forces. You will see how the American GI proved every bit as adaptable and tenacious as legend often declares. You will see how legends about Americans relying on raw mass and attrition to defeat German Uber-Men are smashed.


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Postby Leonid on 12 Apr 2005, 22:09

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Americans may love to hate the French. But a Parisian scholar says that American Francophobia is nothing compared to the 200-year-old Gallic tradition of Yankee-bashing.

By Matthew Price | April 10, 2005

THE VOGUE FOR freedom fries may have waned, but more than two years after the diplomatic dustup between George W. Bush and Jacques Chirac over the Iraq war the books on the fractured state of Franco-American relations keep coming. Denis Boyles' ''Vile France: Fear, Duplicity, Cowardice and Cheese'' (Encounter), Richard Z. Chesnoff's ''The Arrogance of the French: Why They Can't Stand Us - and Why the Feeling Is Mutual'' (Sentinel), John J. Miller's and Mark Molesky's ''Our Oldest Enemy: A History of America's Disastrous Relationship with France'' (Doubleday) - the very titles suggest that while George W. Bush may have made nice with Jacques Chirac on his most recent trip to Europe, certain segments of American society are never going to give France a break.

But according to the French scholar Philippe Roger, such Francophobic biliousness may be nothing compared to the deep-seated antipathy that our Gallic cousins feel for us. Nevermind the Marquis de Lafayette - or Benjamin Franklin's cozy memories of his years whipping up support for the nascent republic in the salons of Paris. The French have had it in for American civilization from the beginning.

In his book ''The American Enemy: The History of French Anti-Americanism,'' published in English this month by the University of Chicago Press, Roger surveys two centuries of political polemics, pulp sci-fi serials, and travelogues, unearthing an often entertaining treasure trove of outrageous overstatement and bitter accusation that variously depict America as a stunted wasteland, a soulless technocracy, and a racist behemoth hell-bent on world domination.

When the book came out in France two years ago, at the height of the diplomatic tensions over Iraq, Roger - who teaches at the École des Hautes Études en Science Sociales in Paris - met with some hostile responses. But Roger, who prefers to call himself an ''anti-anti-American,'' insists his book isn't in any way an apology for America. ''If you speak in concrete terms like foreign policy,'' he said in a recent interview, ''it's quite clear that opposing America is sometimes - you can say often - necessary.''

But the friction over even so momentous an event as the Iraq war, Roger says, does little to explain the roots of the hostility, which go farther back than he had previously imagined. What began 14 years ago as a research project on the right-wing anti-Americanism of the 1930s quickly grew into a farther-ranging inquiry. ''I started working on a small piece,'' he says. ''I didn't realize at all that I had to go back two centuries.''

. . .

According to Roger, the term ''anti-American'' in French is relatively new - traced by lexicographers only to 1948 - but anti-American sentiment, he shows, was alive and well before there was even a United States. Voltaire may have written ''it was philosophy's efforts that led to America's discovery,'' but many French philosophes looked across the Atlantic and were disgusted by what they saw (or imagined).

Consider Georges-Louis Leclerc, Comte du Buffon, a leading 18th-century naturalist and man of science whose theories would prove influential on America's other critics in the 1700s. In works like ''Varieties in the Human Species'' (1749) and ''On the Degeneration of Animals'' (1766), Buffon concocted a set of bizarre taxonomies to demonstrate that the species of the New World were invariably shriveled and stunted. Of course, Buffon never actually visited the land he was writing about. Nevertheless, his claims so bothered Thomas Jefferson that he procured the carcass of a 7-foot Vermont moose to deliver to Buffon. Buffon - a petit homme who stood 5 feet tall - remained unimpressed, however, and refused to revise his opinions.

In the early decades of the 19th century, French anti-Americanism went through something of a dormant phase (even if diplomatic relations had reached a breaking point during the so-called XYZ affair of 1797-98, which kicked off a small shooting war between the two republics). Alexis de Tocqueville undertook his vast, nuanced study ''Democracy in America'' in the 1830s, but it did little to change the minds of France's Americaphobes. After the Civil War (during which the Confederacy had many French sympathizers) they emerged armed with an entirely new set of complaints. America had been transformed from a land of stunted, degenerate species into a menacing industrial colossus.

The specter of the voracious ''Yankee'' who, having conquered the South, now had his eyes set on the rest of the world, stalked late-19th-century French social science and popular fiction. Ethnographers rewrote the history of the Anglo-Saxon race, leaving the Germans out and recasting it as one dominated by American (i.e., WASP) bloodlines. ''The true peril,'' warned Edmond Demolins in his 1897 essay ''Anglo-Saxon Superiority: To What It Is Due,'' is the sturdy American individualist ''who comes alone, with a plow.'' The actual military threat of Germany, which had obliterated France in the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71, was beside the point, for ''social force is one hundred times more powerful than all the armies in the world.'' And the breathless 1899-1900 science-fiction serial ''La Conspiration des milliardaires'' (The Billionaires' Conspiracy), by Gustave Le Rouge - dubbed the ''shop girl's Jules Verne'' by one critic - depicted a plot by a fiendish group of French-hating Yankee plutocrats to invade Europe with an army of automatons.

By the early 20th century, the template was set: America was an eternal threat to French civilization. Intellectuals of left and right could bicker endlessly over the direction of their country, but it was clear to all that America, tout court, was bad for France.

But the anti-Americanism of the interwar years, Roger argues, was often less about American strength than French weakness. In the 1920s and '30s, anti-Americanism ''fed on a violent self-loathing'' and a strong well of anti-Semitism. Jean-Louis Chastanet, a left-wing member of the French assembly, concluded in ''L'Oncle Shylock'' (1927), that for America ''lending money to others is a way of dominating them.''

Anti-Americanism reached its hysterical pitch in ''Le Cancer américain'' (1931), by right-wing intellectuals Robert Aron and Arnaud Dandieu, who declared in their ''tract against the Yankee spirit'' that ''modern barbarism is reason in its American form.'' France, they argued, was subjugated to a vulgar, latter-day Rome, with ''French lap dogs of all professions, sexes and stripes flocking to Yankee banks or boudoirs.'' Even with the United States hobbled by the Depression, Aron and Dandieu saw a France that was weak and servile, in thrall to American financiers.

After the Second World War, left-wing intellectuals like Jean-Paul Sartre rose to the fore, but the tune, it seems, had changed very little. ''The Yankee, more arrogant than the Nazi iconoclast, substitutes the machine for the poet, Coca-Cola for poetry...the mass-manufactured car for the genius, the Ford for Victor Hugo!'' bellowed the Communist poet Louis Aragon in 1951. That same year, an editorialist for the Marxist journal La Nouvelle Critique ventilated about the American ''conspiracy against intelligence.''

''A vast undertaking to pervert science and art and degrade culture is taking place in our country in imitation of what is happening in the USA,'' the magazine thundered. ''The French do not want to become robots, nor intellectuals the trusts' mercenaries.''

Even the French embrace of jazz and the experimentalist comedy of Jerry Lewis's post-Dean Martin films is ''anti-Americanism carried on by other means,'' Roger argues, since championing such ''dissident and subversive'' elements allowed the French to portray mainstream American culture as pathetically blinkered.

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In conversation, Roger is careful to distinguish himself from pro-American intellectuals like Jean-François Revel, who has long championed the American social model. (In his 1970 work ''Ni Marx, ni Jesus,'' Revel dubbed the United States ''the country most eligible for the role of prototype nation.'') Roger's motivation, he says, isn't to stifle legitimate criticism of the United States but to ''expose the French discourse of anti-Americanism wherever it seems to me beyond reason.'' Rather than simply repeating longstanding stereotypes that are ''disconnected with American reality,'' he says, he wants the French to ''refine their anti-Americanism'' and ''go directly to what is worth criticizing.''

But some scholars are skeptical of Roger's line of inquiry. Richard Kuisel, a historian at Georgetown University and author of ''Seducing the French: The Dilemma of Americanization,'' a 1993 study of Franco-American tensions in the Cold War, commends Roger for his ''sensitivity to language and to metaphor,'' but questions his emphasis on a ''steady drum beat of continuous discourse, [which] misses some of the dynamic flow and cyclical nature of opinion about America.''

Kuisel also argues that Roger's focus on literary sources and intellectual debate obscures legitimate economic and political differences between the two nations in the past 50 years. After World War II, America - in the form of the Marshall Plan, military bases, and Coca-Cola - was not a far-off abstraction but ''so very real,'' says Kuisel. ''We were pressing on the French in all kinds of ways.'' More recently, he adds, our embrace of market economics ''suggests to the French that we lack a sense of fraternity and solidarity.''

Stanley Hoffmann, professor of government at Harvard and a longtime observer of France, notes that much of Roger's source material is decidedly obscure, and that he excludes France's pro-American voices from the past 200 years, such as Raymond Aron (no relation to Robert Aron), who often reminded his fellow intellectuals to be more judicious in their appraisals of America.

Fundamentally, Hoffmann argues, Franco-American disputes often boil down to a ''family quarrel, a clash of two universalisms.'' We should be sensitive to the fact that it is ''difficult for France, which is now a much smaller power, to accept without gritting its teeth, the triumph of the other one.''

But Roger thinks there's more to it than a simple case of sibling rivalry. The legacy of the ideas he traces in ''The American Enemy'' has ensnared France in a ''logic which allows for the perpetual incrimination of America.'' And it's hardly limited to intellectuals, he claims. After all, Roger points out, in the months after 9/11, the French journalist Thierry Meyssan's book ''L'Effroyable imposture'' (The Big Lie), which argued that no plane had crashed into the Pentagon, became a best-seller in France. Plus ça change...
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Postby Leonid on 23 Apr 2005, 17:14

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Apr 21st 2005 | PARIS
From The Economist print edition

Why France's unemployment is proving so intractable

IT IS early on a Friday, and the job-centre on the Rue Damrémont, on the northern fringes of Paris, is humming. Job-hunters browse offers pinned to the wall; others search on the internet. Massou, leafing through a folder of ads, has been looking for kitchen work—cleaning or dishwashing—for eight months. Previous jobs, as a security guard and at a printing works, were short-term only. “I've sent 20 CVs, but nobody has called me for an interview,” he says. Faker, 29, is also looking for restaurant work, but says most ads are for part-time or temporary jobs. Even for those, he has had no offers in two months. “When I ring, they say the job has gone.”

After dipping to 8.3% in 2001, unemployment in France has since been creeping relentlessly up. It hit 10.1% in January, well above the pre-enlargement EU average of 8.1%, and over twice Britain's 4.8%. For under 25s, unemployment is now over 22% (see chart). Worries about jobs, especially among the young, underlie much of the dislike of President Jacques Chirac's government, which faces a testing referendum on the draft EU constitution on May 29th. A new back-to-work plan is being implemented. But will it be enough?

The government has at least grasped the importance of the problem. Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the prime minister, has promised to trim unemployment by 10%. Jean-Louis Borloo, minister for social cohesion and former mayor of the industrial town of Valenciennes, has pushed through a new law to revamp welfare and job schemes. Much of it is sensible and overdue. The public job-placement agency, ANPE, will face competition for the first time: at present, the private sector can offer only temping. New maisons de l'emploi (job-centres), loosely modelled on the British variety, will bring together recruitment, benefit and welfare services. By 2009, the number of apprenticeships will be increased by nearly 40%, to 500,000 a year. Over the next five years, a million people on welfare will be offered training and subsidised jobs. New fiscal incentives should help to create 500,000 domestic-service jobs over three years. The idea, says Mr Borloo, is to deal with labour-market “dysfunction”, and so reduce structural unemployment.

Implementing all this, however, is particularly complicated in France. The government does not run unemployment insurance. This job falls to Unedic, which is co-managed by employers and workers, who jointly set rules on entitlements, based on personal contributions. These are hugely generous: the top monthly allocation, dictated by previous pay, can be as high as €5,700 ($7,420), against £243 ($466) in Britain. Meanwhile the government finances welfare for those without insurance rights, as well as job-placement. The upshot is fragmented, and inefficient.

Getting the various agencies to work together is hard. Unedic and ANPE are currently squabbling over how to police benefit claims. Jean-Pierre Revoil, head of Unedic, told La Tribune this week that France had developed a “welfare culture” that needed tighter controls. In the new job-centres, it is unclear who will patrol the take-up of the new work schemes—or how tough they should be. “The system is voluntary,” says Mr Borloo, who argues that abuse is exaggerated. “We are not looking at suspension of benefits.”

Why does the government need such ambitious job schemes in the first place? Employment policies already cost €70 billion a year, yet they have done little to dent unemployment. Nor, Mr Raffarin has conceded, is it likely to shrink much before next year. The harsh answer is that the welfare system is not the real problem.

Economic growth in France is job-poor. In effect, the French pay a price for the protections—a high minimum wage, security from lay-offs, a short work-week—that those in permanent full-time work enjoy. In labour-intensive sectors, France has become highly automated, and many new jobs are temporary. A Unedic survey shows that around one-third of the jobs employers expect to create in 2005 will be short-term. This introduces flexibility, but it also creates a two-tier system: comfortable, sheltered jobs for some; precarious, temporary ones for others.

Young job-seekers tend most often to be excluded—hence their anxiety. Asked on television last week why Britain's unemployment was so much lower, Mr Chirac replied that its social rules would be “unacceptable” in France. In the Rue Damrémont, that falls flat: what is unacceptable is not being able to find a job.


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Postby .... on 23 Apr 2005, 19:13

LOL@Chirac. What on earth is unacceptable about our "social rules"? They're too strict as it is if you ask me, but better than France.

What is unacceptable, based on personal accounts I have read and heard is the fact many working class in Paris cannot afford to live on their meagre salaries.

Indeed, an ex-colleague of mine worked in a bar there last summer and said that the only way to make a living was to steal from the till. He didn't like doing it but he said it was the only way, and practically every employee was doing it.
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Postby Eugene Berkovich on 25 Apr 2005, 13:44

mate wrote:Leo

Trust me. I'm going to roll all over him in the coming days. Some of my sources are only in hard copy and I have to find time to type them up. I did so for another web site but the original threads are gone and there is no archive. Of course, Eugene already dismissed my sources as biased American military personnel, even withstanding that some have PhDs in history as well.

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However, let's start with this regarding aggregate battlefield deaths:

http://www.grolier.com/wwii/wwii_16.html#DATA

Table 2--ARMED FORCES PEAK STRENGTHS AND BATTLE DEATHS OF THE
PRINCIPAL ALLIED POWERS

Nation Peak strength Battle deaths

United States 12,300,000 292,131

Table 3--ARMED FORCES PEAK STRENGTHS AND BATTLE DEATHS OF THE AXIS POWERS

Nation Peak strength Battle deaths

Germany 10,200,000 3,500,000


Mate, you can not be serious about this stat, can you?

germany had fought Soviet Union and a great majority of Wehrmacht losses, about 3 million, had been suffered at the hands of USSR. So, somehow, you seem to ignore that fact.

On an aggregate level, the US has a seriously superior casualty percentage. The Germans lost 30% of their forces in battle. Eugene can do the math regarding the Americans, who were fighting on 2 fronts. Sorry, such a superior military doesn't suffer these kinds of losses.


United States had only fought an inferior Japanese force for most of the war, the force, that, once again, was not present in your formula.

Besides, the US won.


Of course, Unites States fought alone and had no other major force on their side. Heard this one before.

Mind you, this is only an aggregate and doesn't reflect minutia we have to discuss.


Exectomundo.

Leo, I realize Eugen is indeed a classic "useful idiot", but pardon my fascination with the topic...and for wanting to involve others in the discussion. See you soon enough!


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Postby mate on 25 Apr 2005, 15:05

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All insults and kidding aside, check out some of the battles I discussed after the post you addressed. I dare say the math favors my analysis. Mind you, I still haven't copied and posted some excellent material on pinpoint engagements where ad-hoc combined arms American Infantry Divisions absolutely inflicted disproportionate casualties upon elite attacking German Panzer units at pivotal Battle of the Bulge engagements.

Check out Michael D. Doubler's How GIs Fought the War in Europe, 1944-1945. Let me give you an excerpt on how the famous 2nd Infantry Division...aka Indian-Head...beat back the forces of 2 German Divisions, citing an engagement at Dom Butgenbach. This illustrates how skilled the Americans actually were, something discussed in detail by this book:

The Germans concentrated the bulk of two divisions, the 277th Volks Grenadier and the 12th SS Panzer, to grab control of the villages. Several armor battalions were read to do battle, armed with foridable Panther and Tiger tanks. On the American side, the 2nd Division occupied solid defensive positions centered on the twin villages. The infantry regiments would not fight alone. The 741st Tank Battalion, one of the Army's most seasoned units that had landed on Omaha beach on D-Day and had seen extensive fighting ever since, was ready for the enemy's armor assault. The M10s of the 644th Tank Destroyer Battalion were on hand as well as the the towed antitank guns of the 612th and 801st Tank Destroyer battalions. The heavy concentration of artillery that had supported McKinley's battalion widened its sector of fire and prepared to fire missions all across the narror division front.

...The fight at Dom Butgenbach exacted a heavy toll on both sides. Colonel Daniel reported the loss of 3 tanks, 1 tank destroyer, and 5 antitank guns, as well as over 250 killed, wounded, and missing. The Germans had impaled themselves on American defensive firepower. The burned out hulks of 47 panzers littered the battlefield. An American patrol counted 300 dead sprawled in the snow of one company sector, and by Christmas Eve American burial units had counted 782 German bodies throughout the 2nd Battalion's sector.

...In the aftermath of the battle, Colonel Daniel and Major Thomas Gendrom...credited the successful stand at Dom Butgenbach to the full integration of the combined arms team. They believed the "adequate and timely delivery" of artillery fire was "the greatest single factor" in the battalion's success. Shelling struck areas where the Germans were forming for attacks, broke up the coherency of their tank-infantry assaults, and helped eject them from the battalion perimeter...when Germans tanks made it through the perimeter, antitanks guns, tank destroyers, and tanks drove them back. Crews of the towed 57mm antitank guns relied on raw courage to take on the panzers at close quarters. The battalion's leaders also believed the grim determination of the average soldier was a key factor in the success. Everyone knew that they were in a desperate situation and that only the 2nd Battalion stood between the enemy and the American rear at Elsenborn.


There you have it Eugene...a single reinforced combined arms American Infantry Battalion used superb tactical skill, individual weapons proficiency, intitiative and raw courage to inflict disproportionate casualties.

Like I said, things are a little different when one realizes that the devil is in the details. And, when the details are analyzed by professional American officers who have a bit more acumen into the matter than pure academics, well, the picture becomes clear that the US military was at least every bit the match of and usually superior to the German in WWII...strategically, operationally, and tactically. Other than the Huertgen Forest, I can't recall when evenly matched Americans...once we got some experience and seasoning...could have been said to have been significantly beaten by the Wermacht. Pure and simple, the German soldier faced the ultimate combatant in the American GI...well armed, motivated, thinking, determined, always looking to innovate and taking the initiative...this wasn't a Red Army cannon fodder fool playing a war of attrition.

The main argument German apologists use today is that they didn't have the quality late in the war that they had earlier. When you really look at the details, it just isn't consistently true. American units annihilated some fine German units even when numerically inferior.

Like I said Eugene, I spoke to many a WWII GI and Marine in my time in the military at reunions. These men were made of some stern stuff. Even late in their lives, many had a sharpness and recollection regarding military particulars...platoon and company tactics, land navigation, noise and light discipline, etc. They damn well knew how to fight and proved it.

Rarely have I felt that I was in the company of giants. With these men, I never had any doubt. I am sure many a German veteran agrees.

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Postby Leonid on 25 Apr 2005, 19:11

I'm currently reading the "Moscow 1812: Napoleon's Fatal March" book by Adam Zamoyski.

It's amazing how little things changed in Russia more than 100 years thereafter...Russians had no idea how to attack, their officers, including Fieldmarshal Kutuzov didn't know how to take initiative... Russians only knew how to defend and die.

Excellent book, equally critical of Alexander I and Napoleon, also making a fine mockery of the age-old Russian myths about patriotic spirit of Russian serfs and effectiveness of Russian partisans.
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Postby mate on 25 Apr 2005, 20:14

Leo

In fact, the book I am reading details how the US military was the diametrical opposite, even from battle to battle in WWII. For example, did you know that the US Army had to significantly change battle tactics when attacking through hedge row country in France after securing Normandy?

Initially, the US military relied on heavy artillery bombardment, subsequently changing to heavy infantry assault...only to meet with failure against heavily fortified German defenders that built strongpoints around thick hedge rows that were on top of heavy 3 foot tall dirt emplacements. The artillery did little damage. The infantry often went over a hedge row into a kill zone. American tanks crossing hedge rows exposed their belly to German guns.

Well guess what? One unit discovered that a tank with a toothed shovel could pick up a good section of a hedge row. Multiple holes were opened up this way. Upon opening, close artillery suppressed the enemy, while tanks blasted positions identified initially by Infantry. The Infantry subsequently protected the tanks from German Infantry. In this way, the US gradually smashed the German defenses, as so called Lessons Learned were quickly disseminated. Likewise, all through the war, whenever a battlefield innovation was developed, word got out quickly and commanders were expected to implement and adapt best practices. These were communicated in easy to understand diagrams, using real world terms and situations.

My book has so many references to such example...to the point where American combined arms were perfected, synchronizing Infantry, Armor, Artillery, Engineers, and close air support. Believe me, any fool can write about such things, but coordinating such things is not so easy in practice.

Anyways, the American GI and Marine in WWII was simply superb in developing cutting edge fighting skills. His officers developed supreme strategic, operational, and tactical skills. In the end, as I keep highlighting, the US more or less fought more efficiently than our opponents.

I really laugh it when some compare the US military to the Soviet Red Army in WWII, as the latter really relied on attrition and weight of arms whereas the former, putting a premium on human life, relied on military excellence. I also cannot believe people believe in the superiority of even the Wermacht over the US Army. This just is not borne out by battlefield results, especially when one looks at the minutia. Quite simply, nobody else was able to achieve such large scale efficient victories as the US Army over the Germans.
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Postby Leonid on 25 Apr 2005, 20:25

Mate

"My book has so many references to such example...to the point where American combined arms were perfected, synchronizing Infantry, Armor, Artillery, Engineers, and close air support. Believe me, any fool can write about such things, but coordinating such things is not so easy in practice. "

Exactly!


"I really laugh it when some compare the US military to the Soviet Red Army in WWII, as the latter really relied on attrition and weight of arms whereas the former, putting a premium on human life..."

Please read my latest post in the Russian thread. It appears that Russians had mind-boggling numbers of planes but made very little use of it. One has to assume that either Russian planes were lousy or their pilots were, or both.
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Postby mate on 25 Apr 2005, 20:53

Leo

I did read your other post and noted it well. Indeed, I always give credit to the many individual Soviet fighting men that sacrificed their lives in defeating Nazism. Likewise, I condemn in the strongest terms the sheer evil of Soviet leadership, from Stalin down to the the most cowardly and craven commissars ruthlessly compelling Soviet soldiers to die like animals for an evil only slightly less evil than Nazism.

Just like you, I distinguish sincere salutations for the sacrifice of the former versus revisionist claims of superior military prowess to rehabilitate the latter. For, if one is sincere, that person will acknowledge that the Soviet Army bled its poor bastards, who fought only as men can in such conditions, in a macabre game of attrition. The Soviet soldier was faced with a maddening situation, one in which he easily could lose his life to friend as well as the enemy.

In fact, I had to laugh when I once read a comment by Stalin, after a General briefed him on the VISCIOUS punishment meted out to deserters, cowards, and all who disobeyed any order. Stalin said:

It takes a brave man to be a coward in the Red Army.

Damn I had to laugh, twisted as it is!

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Postby Leonid on 25 Apr 2005, 21:30

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Absolutely. He had his way with words...To General Gorbatov he once said: "Only a grave will save a hunchback". You have to know Russian to appreciate his wit, for hunchback = gorbaty in Russian:)

He also once remarked that thousands of his monuments and portraits all over the country made him blush and uneasy. The hell it did.
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The Wall Street Journal Europe

For Ghosn, Renault May Be Harder Drive

By JO WRIGHTON in Paris and JATHON SAPSFORD in Tokyo
Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
April 26, 2005

Carlos Ghosn's rescue of Nissan Motor Co. made him a superstar in Japan, even inspiring a comic book about his exploits. But when he returns to Paris this week to take the wheel at French car maker Renault SA, Mr. Ghosn faces a chillier reception.

France's powerful unions are digging in for a fight and warning that Mr. Ghosn will need to, in the words of one union leader, "readjust to French life." Forget about trying to replicate the painful cutbacks he pushed through at Nissan, they say.

"We're afraid he thinks it's normal to cut heads," says Philippe Noel, a representative of France's largest union, the Confederation Generale du Travail, or CGT.

In a first for the global auto industry, Mr. Ghosn will run two big auto makers at once, starting work as president and chief executive officer of Renault in May while continuing to head Nissan. He will get two salaries and a double set of stock options. He plans to split his time evenly between the two companies, which are eight time zones and nearly 10,000 kilometers apart.


The unusual arrangement underscores the demand for proven leaders at a time when the global auto industry is suffering from oversupply and intense competition. Glutted with well-made products, car makers increasingly are turning to executives such as Mr. Ghosn with a track record of reaching consumers through flash, marketing and personal appeal.

Nowhere is that more true than in Europe, where earnings at car makers from Volkswagen AG to DaimlerChrysler AG are under pressure. World-wide sales at Volkswagen and DaimlerChrysler's Mercedes Car Group are down more than 8% this year. New car registrations in Europe fell 4.7% in March, compared with the year-earlier month, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers Association.

Mr. Ghosn is expected to shake up sluggish Renault, which owns 44% of Nissan. Doing so will likely require challenging the traditional ways of doing business in France's cozy capitalism, much as he did in Japan. But he will face strong headwinds as he commutes between Paris and Tokyo in his Gulfstream jet.

Though Renault's profit margins are lower than those at Nissan and its product mix needs broadening, the company is doing much better than Nissan was when Mr. Ghosn was dispatched to rescue it in 1999. The French company is one of the most profitable mainstream auto makers in Europe. Renault's rank and file is thus much less willing to change. If Mr. Ghosn angers the French unions, they could ravage Renault with mass strikes and other actions. Renault is the world's 10th-largest car company by the number of vehicles produced, according to London-based consultants Global Insight Automotive. Renault and Nissan combined rank No. 4 in the world.

There is also a risk that Louis Schweitzer, Renault's departing CEO who plans to stay on as nonexecutive chairman, will be tempted to play backseat driver to Mr. Ghosn's management. The 51-year-old Mr. Ghosn is a protege of Mr. Schweitzer, 62, but they have clashed in the past.

Perhaps more ominously, the celebrity status Mr. Ghosn acquired in Japan has begun to draw criticism in France, where star CEOs are rare and viewed suspiciously. That could make it harder for him to impose his regime on Renault.

"How Mr. Ghosn manages his ego is a key question," says Pierre Mogenet, a partner at Egon Zehnder International SA, the executive-search firm that brought Mr. Ghosn to Renault in 1996.

'Le Cost Killer'

In a recent interview at his offices in Tokyo, Mr. Ghosn said success hadn't gone to his head and pledged to keep a lower profile when he returns to France. He also said he would cut back on outside roles to focus on running Renault and Nissan. Mr. Ghosn, who earlier this month resigned from the board of International Business Machines Corp., still sits on the boards of Sony Corp. and Alcoa Inc.

Mr. Ghosn was born in Brazil and grew up in Beirut, Lebanon. After studying at France's prestigious Ecole Polytechnique, he worked at Michelin SCA. He swiftly climbed the ranks of the family-controlled tire maker, but knew he would never rise to the top job because patriarch Francois Michelin was grooming his son, Edouard, to succeed him.

In 1996, Mr. Ghosn was recruited by Mr. Schweitzer to be Renault's executive vice president. Renault was about to report its biggest loss ever. Mr. Ghosn quickly closed a Belgian factory, triggering Renault's first Europe-wide strike and a political firestorm in Belgium. The French media dubbed him "Le cost killer."

The cost-cutting helped Renault amass cash that it used to pay for a $5 billion investment in the near-bankrupt Nissan in 1999. Mr. Schweitzer has said he wouldn't have invested in Nissan if Mr. Ghosn hadn't agreed to move to Tokyo to head the Japanese car maker.

"If I were in Louis Schweitzer's place I would have chosen me, too," Mr. Ghosn later wrote in his 2003 autobiography "Shift: Inside Nissan's Historic Revival."

Mr. Ghosn's now-famous turnaround of Nissan included closing five factories and eliminating 21,000 jobs out of roughly 150,000. Renault's work force now worries he will start swinging the axe again when he returns to Paris.

Investors certainly hope he does. Renault shares are up 60% since the beginning of 2003, shortly after Renault officially announced he was returning, in anticipation that Mr. Ghosn will make tough changes. Last year, Renault posted an operating margin of 5.9%, far behind Nissan's 10%. What is more, most of Renault's recent profit has come from its share of the earnings of Nissan.

Renault has other problems. It remains absent from the profitable U.S. market after a disastrous foray there in the 1980s. Renault's acquisition of American Motors in 1983 flopped. Renault's midsize sedans such as the Alliance and the Encore, which the company built in France, sold poorly in the U.S. and Renault decided to withdraw from that market. In 1987, Renault sold American Motors cheaply to Chrysler -- which used the company to develop the hugely successful Jeep Cherokee, creating the new category of sport-utility vehicle. Adding to its current woes, Renault lacks a successful luxury car following the spectacular flops of recent models intended to fill that void.

In 2003, Renault had to kill the Avantime, an odd cross between a coupe and a minivan. The name -- a combination of "avant," French for "before," and the English word "time" -- prompted jokes in the industry that the car was so far ahead of its time that no one bought it.

In another strategic foul-up, Renault only recently got to work on an SUV, years after rivals realized that the SUV craze had caught on in Europe and at a time when the market for such vehicles is growing saturated by some measures.

Renault has "stalled a little," Mr. Ghosn wrote in his autobiography.

To boost Renault's profitability, people close to Mr. Ghosn expect him to try to get rid of inefficient French working habits. One is corporate France's penchant for long meetings. Patrick Pelata, who heads planning and design for Nissan, says that, after several years of working in Japan, he became shocked to see Europeans "spending too much time analyzing and discussing" and not enough time producing.

Anticipating a clash, French union leaders are rattling their swords. Vincent Neveu, another CGT representative, warns of a "violent reaction" if Mr. Ghosn tries to close factories or cut big chunks of Renault's work force.

Renault already suffers from frequent work stoppages, a common problem in a country where strikes are a weekly occurrence. An estimated 4,000 workers recently went on strike to demand better pay and working conditions. Renault has 130,573 workers world-wide.

Another concern among French unions is that Mr. Ghosn will drive Renault employees too hard. At Nissan, he pressured top staff to meet tough sales targets, at one point promising publicly that the entire management team would resign if they didn't. "Everything is target, commitment, target, commitment," says Akira Takakura, General Secretary of the Federation of All Nissan and General Workers' Unions.

Mr. Ghosn's own long working hours are legendary, earning him the moniker "7-Eleven" in Japan. He starts work in Paris on May 2, the day after France's Labor Day, which this year falls on a Sunday. "That's a bit of a provocative date for us," says Mr. Noel, the CGT representative.

Nissan's union representatives say Mr. Ghosn can be reasonable about many issues. Mr. Takakura remembers Mr. Ghosn treating employees with unusual care when he closed a plant in Murayama. The plant's 3,000 workers were given a choice between relocating, voluntary retirement or living away from their families to keep their jobs. For those who chose to live in company-run dormitories at other plants far from their homes, Mr. Ghosn agreed to three paid trips home a month, instead of the customary one. Mr. Takakura also notes that none of the 21,000 jobs Mr. Ghosn cut at Nissan were outright layoffs. Rather, they were eliminated through voluntary retirements or attrition, he says.

Another Roadblock

In trying to reproduce a Nissan-style shake-up at Renault, Mr. Ghosn may face another roadblock: his predecessor. Mr. Schweitzer prides himself on turning Renault into a publicly traded blue-chip company from a state-owned basket case during his 13-year tenure, and most recently oversaw the launch of the midsize Megane, Western Europe's best-selling car.

In an interview, Mr. Schweitzer described his new nonexecutive chairman role as ensuring a "smooth transition." He said there would be no "sudden changes in strategy" when Mr. Ghosn takes over. Plant closures aren't on the agenda, he added.

Mr. Ghosn was less definite. "I'm starting the job with a clean sheet of paper," he said. "I'm not going in with preconceived ideas."

The two men have contrasting styles. Mr. Schweitzer, a former government official and a cousin of the late French philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre, comes off as aloof. Mr. Ghosn is direct and hands-on. Factory visits with Mr. Schweitzer are like orchestrated "state visits," says one Renault insider. Mr. Ghosn mixes with workers on the factory floor.

Messrs. Ghosn and Schweitzer have clashed in the past. In 2000, Mr. Schweitzer wanted to merge Renault and Nissan in a deal that would have given Renault shareholders 51% of the new company, according to a person familiar with the matter. Mr. Ghosn opposed him, arguing that a merger on those terms would sell Nissan at too low a price, this person says. In the end, they reached a compromise: Renault increased its holding in Nissan to 44%, while Nissan took a 15% stake in Renault.

"What's important is what happened," not what was discussed, Mr. Ghosn said. Mr. Schweitzer denied wanting to merge Renault and Nissan but acknowledged that he and Mr. Ghosn "did have different ideas on how quickly the companies' common interests should be brought together."

To clear up any ambiguity about who will be in charge, Mr. Schweitzer agreed to replace nearly all of Renault's top executives in December ahead of Mr. Ghosn's return. Mr. Ghosn is also bringing his key lieutenants back with him from Tokyo.

Mr. Ghosn is taking over Mr. Schweitzer's office at Renault's Paris headquarters, while Mr. Schweitzer is moving to founder Louis Renault's old office in another building. Under Renault's statutes, Mr. Schweitzer could legally stay on as nonexecutive chairman until he turns 70 in 2012, but he says he won't necessarily stay that long. Mr. Ghosn's wife and four children, now living in Tokyo, will move to Paris, where they already have a home. Mr. Ghosn will also keep his Tokyo apartment.

When he arrives at Renault, Mr. Ghosn's strategy is also likely to include developing a new luxury model, possibly in cooperation with Nissan. Renault has made several unsuccessful forays into the higher end of the market, which is attractive because it is both profitable and prestigious. Mr. Schweitzer previously said world-wide sales of Renault's luxury Vel Satis sedan had disappointed because Renault underestimated the strength of the German luxury-car manufacturers and overestimated public acceptance of the bold Vel Satis design.

Mr. Ghosn is also expected to overhaul the design of Renault's cars. The unorthodox styling that Renault has used over the past 10 years recently worked on the best-selling Megane but alienated buyers in other segments like the higher end of the market.

Another challenge Mr. Ghosn faces upon returning to France is keeping his ego in check. The clubby Paris business establishment is highly disapproving of celebrity CEOs. Former Vivendi Universal SA chairman Jean-Marie Messier's flamboyance and love of the limelight played a role in his downfall three years ago.

"Mr. Ghosn is most at risk of becoming excessively narcissistic of all the top executives in the world," says Manfred Kets de Vries, head of the global leadership center at French business school Insead. "Can he keep his cool?"

In Japan, Mr. Ghosn has been the subject of countless magazine articles and television profiles. Bookstores there have their own Ghosn sections. While managing Nissan, he took time out to vet the story line of the comic-book series about him.

Like some other celebrities, Mr. Ghosn has undergone a physical transformation. As the media spotlight intensified on the diminutive executive, he started drinking "Healthya," a pricey Japanese tea drink believed to aid weight loss, and he has indeed shed some weight. When he stopped wearing glasses -- the result of laser surgery -- he repeatedly asked his staff to make sure the media had updated photos of him without his glasses.

The most mundane events at Nissan have evolved into big media shows. A recent Nissan earnings news conference opened with loud music and dazzling video shots of zooming cars. The lights went off to a rumbling sound. When the lights went back on, there was Mr. Ghosn, on stage in a crisp suit, ready to announce the latest half-year results.

In France, these antics have begun to rankle. In a January profile, French magazine Le Point wrote that Mr. Ghosn has "an outsized ego that he sometimes has trouble containing." In another recent article, newspaper Le Monde warned: "No one will do him any favors. Each of his missteps will be exploited."

Mr. Ghosn concedes that some within Nissan warned him against getting too much media exposure, but he shrugs it off. "I will have less presence in the media in France," he says.

Asked if Mr. Ghosn is letting fame go to his head, Mr. Pelata, Nissan's design head who is one of his closest associates, says: "It's a risk for everyone, so he has to be careful."
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May 2005

Jews, Arabs, and French Diplomacy: A Special Report

David Pryce-Jones

The resounding slogan of “liberty, equality, fraternity,” leaves no room for racism in the French state, in theory. In practice, over the two centuries since that slogan was coined, rulers of France have tried with varying success to fit two peoples—Arabs and Jews—into their grand design for the French nation and for its standing in the world. Today, as long-held but misconceived ambitions collide, racism with its hates and fears increasingly plagues France, calling into question the relationship that the country’s Arab and Jewish minorities have with each other, that each has with the state, and that the state has with Arab nations on the one hand and with Israel on the other.

The official position taken toward French Jews goes back to the revolution of 1789. In December of that year, during a debate over granting citizenship to the country’s Jewish minority, Comte de Clermont-Tonnerre, a liberal aristocrat, declared in the Constituent Assembly: “Everything must be refused to the Jews as a nation, and everything granted to the Jews as individuals.” This idea was soon enshrined in law. Behind it lay the suspicion that Jews had their own brand of nationalism, one that cut across the French nationalism emerging from the revolution. To the French elite, moreover, Jews have consistently seemed to be the conspiratorial tools of others, first of Germany and Russia, then of Britain, and finally, in the 20th century, of Zionists.

What is remarkable is that, in spite of the unregenerate anti-Semitism revealed and unleashed by the Dreyfus Affair at the end of the 19th century, in spite even of French participation in the Nazi mass murder of World War II, French Jews have generally accommodated themselves to the state’s view of the necessary relation between them, and have been content, at least until recently, to downplay the ethnic element in their own identity as a people. This has, however, been less true of those hailing from French-speaking North Africa, who today make up the majority of the 600,000-strong community. In addition, the return of anti-Semitism during the last few years in France has willy-nilly raised the ethnic consciousness of even the most assimilated elements of the older community.



On the Muslim and Arab side, although virtually no Muslims lived in France until the 20th century, the French state long regarded its vital interests as tied up in Arab lands. Napoleon Bonaparte’s 1798 campaign in Egypt and the French invasion of Algeria in 1830 were military adventures undertaken with the express purpose of emulating imperial Britain: England might have India, but France could move into, and ultimately colonize, the Arab world. Moreover, France traditionally claimed the right to protect Catholics and Christianity in the Ottoman empire, and in the Holy Land in particular; in 1843, a French consulate opened in Jerusalem. By the 1850’s, Napoleon III and his administration had elaborated the concept of a “Franco-Arab kingdom,” grandiosely expanding this to visualize France itself as “a Muslim power” (une puissance musulmane).

In a gesture aimed at rewarding North African Arabs for their service in World War I, the Great Mosque of Paris was opened in 1926. But large-scale immigration did not begin until after the end of the Algerian war in 1958, when 250,000 so-called “harkis,” Algerians who had opposed the nationalist movement, sought refuge in France. In the 1960’s and 1970’s, immigrants arrived steadily from each of the newly independent Maghreb countries. Initially they were allowed to come only as guest workers seeking to better themselves and return home, but a change of law in 1974 gave them residence and other rights.

The size of today’s community is a matter of contention. A figure of upward of 6 million has long been accepted, but Nicolas Sarkozy, a one-time minister of the interior now aspiring to be president, and the semi-official newspaper Le Monde have both spoken of 5 million, while the demographer Michèle Tribalat has reduced this further to 3.65 million. Muslims tend to congregate in the outskirts of the great cities, where bad housing conditions and a lack of employment generate all the ills and violence of alienation. More than 5,000 mosques serve as community centers; at the national level, there is a representative Muslim institution, the Conseil français du culte musulman (CFCM). Some of the demands or practices of Islam being incompatible with bedrock republican secularism, embarrassing conflicts have arisen like the one over the right of Muslim girls to wear the hijab in school; it took the French authorities fifteen years to decide that this defied the constitution.

Depending on the figure one accepts, Muslim Arabs outnumber Jews in France by a factor of at least six to one, perhaps by as much as eight to one. As the number of Arabs rises, and as France fails to deliver on its promise of equality and prosperity, the question of their place as a minority has come increasingly to the fore. That question has been made all the more complicated by the fact that, over the decades, Arabs and Jews alike have transformed themselves from passive subjects of history into active agents on the world stage, acquiring new identities and modern nation-states of their own.



For Arabs, one of the most evident signs of self-identity is hostility toward Jews and Israel. In a 2003 collection of essays about Islam in France, the sociologist Barbara Lefèbvre offered typical examples of this prejudice in the younger generation. Addressing a teacher, a boy in the Paris suburb of Saint-Denis quotes his father: “There will be a final war between Muslims and Jews, and the Jews will be destroyed; it says so in the Qur’an.” In another Paris district, a teacher overhears Arab children telling Jewish children: “Jewish dogs, we’re going to burn Israel, go back to your country.”

Of course, Arab aggression against Jews has been rising everywhere in the last decades. But it is particularly virulent in France, where it has been accompanied by occasional loss of life, street violence against individuals, and bombings of synagogues, restaurants, offices, and shops. For a long time, the authorities maintained that this was mere hooliganism rather than the manifestation of a vengeful jihad. (Many Arab ghettos are outside the law: no-go areas for the police.) But as it became clear that imams were using their mosques to preach anti-Semitism and the hatred of all non-Muslims, the agents of law enforcement at last began to take action. A number of extremists have been deported, and the police have been able to foil and arrest terrorists coming from Saudi Arabia, Algeria, and Morocco.

But this is to raise a much larger issue—namely, the differential attitude of the French elite toward Arabs and Jews. Much has been written about the role of European academics, intellectuals, and journalists in excusing, justifying, or sympathizing with Muslim anti-Semitism. But no less pertinent, and arguably more so, is the role of policy-makers. Ideas and attitudes work downward from the political elite that conceives them to the people who have to live with the consequences.

The French foreign ministry, generally referred to as the Quai d’Orsay, is the institution above all others in France that has been responsible for realizing the state’s grand design and the political outcome that has followed from it. The archives of that institution, along with the testimony of generations of diplomats writing in their memoirs, show how a small number of highly motivated and carefully selected men have fostered preconceptions of Arabs and Jews that have now come to threaten the integrity of the French nation.

The Quai d’Orsay

Situated next to the National Assembly on the left bank of the Seine, the Quai d’Orsay occupies a splendid building in the opulent style of 19th-century Paris. Here, both the site and the architecture declare, is where the nation’s fate is shaped, by men of exceptional intelligence. Many of these men have had literary as well as diplomatic gifts: a huge body of memoirs harks back with nostalgia to the enduring club-like atmosphere of the place, symbolized in the tea ceremony at five o’clock where the Quai d’Orsay in its heyday used to gather and consolidate its collective thoughts.

Recurrent governmental instability has reinforced the importance of the Quai d’Orsay. Between September 1870 and August 1914, for example, there were no fewer than 30 foreign ministers of France; the pace of turnover was just as turbulent during the Fourth Republic (1949-59), improving only in today’s Fifth. Although a few foreign ministers have been able to impose their own policy objectives, the majority have come and gone with bewildering rapidity and to little effect. Prime ministers have further devalued the position by often reserving it for themselves. In sum, foreign ministers have had to rely disproportionately on their permanent civil servants: not only their private staffs but the secretary-general of the Quai d’Orsay, also referred to as the political director, and the heads of its various departments.

From the start, the ministry was staffed by self-selected members of the aristocracy. Competitive examinations were introduced in 1894, but this and other reforms mainly served to perpetuate the ministry’s sense of itself, handed down by the old to the young. In successive generations, the Cambons, Herbettes, Margeries, François-Poncets, and Courcels became nothing less than dynasties. In The French Foreign Office and the Origins of the First World War, 1898-1914 (1993), H. B. Haynes writes that entry to the Quai d’Orsay was determined by “nepotism, patronage, and political persuasion [that was] Catholic and hostile to Jews and Protestants and the parliamentary system.”

Indeed. A document in the archives from October 1893 reveals that “an Israelite” by the name of Paul Frédéric-Jean Grunebaum had applied to the personnel office of the Quai d’Orsay and wished to know “if this fact [was] of a kind to forbid him access to a diplomatic or consular career.” The margin carries a note from Louis Herbette, secretary general at the time: “I saw M. Grunebaum, who spontaneously withdrew his request. . . . He bowed with good grace to the motives dictating the department’s decision.”

By the 1920’s, the diplomatic service was open to Jews, but they would have needed thick skins to survive. As J.-B. Barbier, who joined the Quai d’Orsay in 1904, commented in his memoirs, “the career had no Jews among its members, at least as far as the important governing levels were concerned.”* And this was a matter of some gratification since Jews, Barbier held, belonged to an “often parasitical ethnic element,” and the way some of them had managed to penetrate the service was “disastrous.” Against one of them, Jean Marx, the head of overseas cultural programs, Barbier would wage a passionate campaign as the epitome of the “anti-national Jew” who, duly backed by “International Jewry,” had recruited unreliable and even traitorous people of his own kind.

Jews in the Mind of the Quai d’Orsay

The historical record displays evidence of unremitting hostility to Jews, decade after decade.

In 1840, a rumor spread in Damascus that an Italian Capuchin friar and his Arab servant had disappeared. The French consul in the city, Comte Ulysse de Ratti-Menton, immediately accused the Jewish community of ritual murder, and persuaded the Ottoman governor to arrest Jewish notables and hold Jewish children hostage. Some of the notables died under torture; others were forcibly converted to Islam.

The scandal rocked Europe, but Ratti-Menton was unrepentant and the Quai d’Orsay defended him. In the National Assembly, Prime Minister Adolphe Thiers complained that Jews were “besieging all the chancelleries with their petitions.” When Arab media today depict ritual murder as a fact of Jewish life, they are retailing, whether they know it or not, lessons learned from French teachers long ago.

But the seminal event of the 19th century was the 1890’s trial of Captain Alfred Dreyfus, the Jewish army officer falsely accused of betraying military secrets to the Germans. The conspiracy to prove Dreyfus guilty of treason was hatched in the ministry of war; the Quai d’Orsay stayed at a watchful distance. But when the guilty verdict was declared in December 1894, and partisans of Dreyfus’s innocence refused to let the injustice stand, a number of ambassadors could be heard lamenting the damage to France that the case was doing. The brilliant but slippery Maurice Palèologue represented the foreign ministry in 1899 at Dreyfus’s successful appeal. He saw the documents, met the officers who had forged the incriminating evidence, looked hard at Dreyfus’s face as the reprieve was about to be announced, and thought he could detect there a perduring Jewish trait: “an immense pride beneath a mask of humility.” Fortunately, he would confide in a letter to a colleague, he himself was immune as a diplomat from prosecution.

Few men left a greater mark on the Quai d’Orsay than Paul Cambon, born in 1843, and his brother Jules, two years younger. Both were powerful personalities. Paul, ambassador in London for 22 years, was a principal architect of the Entente Cordiale with Britain. Jules served in Washington. Both were also involved with Arab affairs, Paul as resident in Tunisia, Jules as governor-general of Algeria. Paul believed that Dreyfus, as a Jew, was a traitor by definition, and appears to have changed his mind only once the appeal process had started; his brother Jules, in common with many other colleagues in the diplomatic service, persisted in thinking Dreyfus guilty to the end. To one of those colleagues (Auguste Gérard), the anti-Dreyfus forces were the “natural defenders” of the nation, the “true representatives of France and its genius.”

Pogroms in czarist Russia were occurring at the same time as the Dreyfus trial in France. A. Bompard, ambassador in Saint Petersburg from 1902 to 1908 and a man much esteemed at the Quai d’Orsay, wrote in an August 1903 report: “I pass over in silence anti-Jewish disturbances such as those in Kishinev because they are, so to speak, on the rebound from agrarian disturbances. The Jewish population . . . is a nursery of nihilists and agitators.” A year later, writing to Foreign Minister Théophile Delcassé, he compared the Finns, “wise and calm,” to the Jews, “detested but [economically] indispensable at the same time, themselves full of hatred as they hold the people to ransom and undermine authority.”

In due course Paléologue succeeded Bompard at Saint Petersburg. Czarist policy toward the Jews, he asserted, seemed devised to sustain

their hereditary defects and their bad passions, to exasperate their hatred for goyim, to plunge them deeper into their talmudic prejudices, to affirm them in their state of permanent inner rebellion, to bring the indestructible hope of promised reparations shining in their eyes. . . . [T]he vengeful and vindictive stubbornness of the Jews could not have found a more favorable climate.

In 1915, as World War I raged, he sent a laconic telegram: “Since the beginning of the war, Russian Jews have not had to submit to any collective violence. . . . In the zone of operations a few hundred Jews have been hanged for espionage: nothing more.”

The Catholic Factor

In the late 19th century, the French built up their position simultaneously in North Africa and in the Ottoman provinces comprising Syria, Lebanon, and the Holy Land. In the latter case, the process was slow and piecemeal, often promoted by pious and wealthy individuals. Comte Paul de Piellat, for instance, settled in Jerusalem, purchasing real estate and bequeathing it to the Catholic Church. The French had hospitals in Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Nazareth, and Nablus, as well as monasteries and seminaries and several churches; they also owned and operated the Jeru-salem-Jaffa railway.

In 1888 the Vatican decreed that Catholics and Catholic institutions in the Levant should henceforth look for protection exclusively to France. Prime Minister Jules Ferry, most imperial of French politicians, held that “this protectorate of Christians in the Orient is in some sense part of our Mediterranean domain.” Aspiring to counteract the British, who were then consolidating their hold on Egypt, Foreign Minister Gabriel Hanotaux believed that, through its Catholic protectorate, France was now the only European power “capable of acting without fatal contention but side by side with Muslim monotheism.”

Treaties in 1901 with the Turkish sultan and in 1913 with the Young Turks protected France’s privileged position in the Holy Land, then still under Ottoman dominion. A Comité de l’Asie Française was founded in 1901; eight years later, a second committee was formed to develop “our moral, economic, and political standing in the Orient.” These appeared to be building blocks toward the goal of becoming a true “puissance musulmane.”

The anti-clericalism of the French Left, and France’s eventual break with the Vatican, cut right across any such sweeping Catholic ambitions. Soon, too, Germany, Italy, and Russia would challenge France’s position, expanding the institutions belonging to their own respective religions. Kaiser Wilhelm’s visit to the Holy Land in 1898 represented one such open challenge.

Zionism vs. French Ambitions

The rise of political Zionism promised to bestow a modern national identity on the Jews, one that would altogether overturn the French state’s preferred definition of who they were. French diplomats in central and eastern Europe, where the most ardent Zionists could be found, were quick to register dismay and to search for the causes, open or occult, of this disturbing new development. Writing from Bucharest in June 1902, L. Descoy regretted the “extreme enthusiasm” of that city’s Jewish community at the arrival of Bernard Lazare, a gifted French Jewish polemicist and early Zionist, suggesting that it had been whipped up by a newspaper “whose leading editors are Israelites.” In Budapest, Vicomte de Fontenay, in charge of the consulate, reported in August 1906 that, for the Magyar population, the advent of Zionism was “a new cloud” on the horizon, one likely to grow “worse with time.” In February 1912, Max Chouttier, consul in Salonika, relayed warnings against Zionism in the official local press, expressing the hope that these warnings would “give the Jewish communities pause for thought and encourage them to oppose Germano-Zionist propaganda.”

G. Deville, minister in Athens, commented adversely on the role in Salonika of the Alliance Israélite Universelle, the school system set up by French Jews to promote Jewish education and culture in the Middle East. To Deville, the Alliance was screening its true ambitions; its Parisian director “might be a good Frenchman, but those of his religion in Salonika think only of serving themselves and not of serving France. . . . In these circumstances, is it to our benefit to upset the Greeks in order to flatter Jewish pride?” In Le Mirage Oriental (1910), Louis Bertrand, another polished writer-diplomat, wrote of the “displeasing” Jews he had met in Ottoman Palestine, with “their hybrid clothes, half European, half Oriental, dirty, with glowering looks . . . hordes crazed with poverty and mysticism.”

In the Holy Land itself, Zionism had implications far greater than it did in Europe: by definition, it represented a rival to French expansionism and France’s Catholic protectorate. The spontaneous reaction was twofold—to heap contempt on Jewish nationalism and to sponsor Arab nationalism in opposition to it.

Najib Azoury, a Maronite Christian from Beirut who had once been employed in the Ottoman bureaucracy in Jerusalem but now lived in Paris, published a booklet, Le Réveil de la nation arabe, predicting that Jews and Arabs were destined to fight until one eliminated the other. The Quai d’Orsay apparently subsidized a journal, L’Indépendence arabe, that this unsavory character began to put out in 1907, and paid for a meeting in Paris in June 1913 at which 23 Arabs from Syria and the Holy Land effectively launched the Arab nationalist movement.



After World War I, two highly restricted groups of specialists in the Quai d’Orsay handled the redrawing of the map of the Middle East in the wake of the demise of the Ottoman empire. The personnel overlapped, and were of a single mind: France already controlled the Arab western shores of the Mediterranean, and now could add the eastern ones, what these experts referred to as la Syrie intégrale or Greater Syria (that is, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine). The question before them was how to turn both Arab nationalism and Zionism to their purposes.

The background was as follows. François Georges-Picot had been counselor at the wartime French embassy in London. In secret negotiations in 1916 with Sir Mark Sykes, a Conservative member of Parliament, he reached what he believed was an agreement granting France possession of la Syrie intégrale after the war. The Germans, it was suspected, were about to issue a proclamation of support for Zionism, and this could swing Russian Jews to their side, with ominous consequences for the outcome of the war; American Jews were thought to exercise a comparable influence on their country’s policy. Therefore, according to André Tardieu, the French high commissioner in the U.S. and a future prime minister, the right of Jews to self-determination should be taken into consideration, lest “certain elements in American Jewry” lose interest in helping to recover Alsace and Lorraine for France.

Others similarly saw the Jews as holding France’s postwar fate in their hands. On May 7, 1917 Jean Gout, head of the Asian section of the foreign ministry with responsibility for the Ottoman provinces, sent a memorandum to Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau:

The millenarian hopes of the Jews, especially the proletarians of Poland and Russia, are not socialistic as their social standing might suggest, nor national as the declarations of their intellectuals pretend, but they are essentially talmudic, that is to say religious. These poor devils have been nurtured on myths of misery which gives them a glimpse of Jerusalem as the end of their ills. . . . Even intelligent and educated Jews who have come to the top in countries with equal opportunities cherish for generations in a corner of their heart the dream of the old ghettos. Thanks to their wealth and the links they preserve among themselves, and the pressure they exert on ignorant governments, they represent an international weight.

An earlier proposal, to help create a small autonomous Jewish state with Hebron as its capital and Gaza as its port, had prompted Jules Cambon to comment bitingly that the Jews there could “grow oranges and exploit each other.” But since the powers were all bidding for Jewish favor, the French could, too; in June 1917, Cambon wrote a letter assuring the Zionist leadership of French support “in the renaissance of the Jewish nationality in that land from which the people of Israel were exiled so long ago.” This letter was no sooner sent than regretted, as the Quai d’Orsay rapidly returned to circulating anti-Zionist memoranda and bombarding the British with demands to abstain from any action that might raise unrealizable Jewish hopes.

That November, Arthur Balfour, the British foreign secretary, issued the declaration bearing his name. It was far more supportive of Zionism than Cambon’s letter. The British government, Balfour wrote, was in favor of “a national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine. With 150,000 soldiers fighting the Turks to France’s 800, the British were able to propose and dispose. On Christmas day 1917, Field Marshal Edmund Allenby entered Jerusalem with Georges-Picot in his entourage. At a picnic, the latter suggested setting up the civil administration he thought he had negotiated with Sykes. Also present was Lawrence of Arabia, and his description of Allenby’s scornful response is one of the more famous passages in Seven Pillars of Wisdom.

In December, a French diplomat in the embassy in London reported that, although wealthy English Jews were hostile to the Balfour Declaration, the enthusiastic view of poor and immigrant Jews was that “the Israelite race was superior to all others; it possessed colonies in all the countries and one day it shall dominate the world.” An unsigned position paper from around the same time suggested that Zionists, who drew their strength from the mysticism of Russian-Polish Jewry, were trying to spread their nefarious ideas to Jews in Algeria and Morocco, thereby seeking “to exploit great-power rivalry.” The author had some classic advice: “Our Jewish policy in North Africa is necessarily linked to our Muslim policy. We have to avoid Jewish nationalism, as also pan-Islamism or pan-Arabism, by favoring a slow and careful evolution in the direction of our civilisation.”

On January 15, 1919, Foreign Minister Stephen Pichon instructed Paul Cambon to alert the British government to the Zionist danger, lest it become a cause for international trouble in the Middle East. “The Zionists must understand once and for all that there can be no question of constituting an independent Jewish state in Palestine, or even forming some sovereign Jewish body.” Three days later Cambon reported back. He could hardly believe the conversation he had just had with Balfour. In his usual dilettantish manner (Cambon wrote), Balfour had said that “it would be interesting to be present at the reconstitution of the [ancient] Kingdom of Jerusalem.” When Cambon protested that, according to the New Testament book of Revelation, such an event would signal the end of the world, Balfour rejoined: “It would be still more interesting to be present at the end of the world.”

Between the Wars

The postwar treaty of peace signed at Sèvres settled the disposition of the former Ottoman provinces. France was to have a mandate for Syria, but not for Greater Syria: Palestine would be incorporated into a British mandate. Since the British at least were Christian (where the Ottomans had been Muslim), France duly renounced the letter of its Catholic protectorate. But not the spirit: as a Catholic paper, L’Oeuvre d’Orient, editorialized, “It is inadmissible that the ‘Country of Christ’ should become the prey of Jewry and of Anglo-Saxon heresy. It must remain the inviolable inheritance of France and the Church.” The Quai d’Orsay never ceased to play one side off against the other, at every level.

In October 1919, General Henri Gouraud arrived in Damascus to take up his appointment as French high commissioner and to scatter the minuscule number of Arab nationalists who sought to resist the French mandate. Meanwhile, Georges-Picot was alerting the Quai d’Orsay that British authorities in Jerusalem were finally becoming aware of growing Muslim restiveness, something that “could only be to the profit of our influence.” During the first six months of 1920, Gouraud bombarded his superiors with anti-Zionist telegrams. Both Muslims and Christians, he wrote, were expecting conditions in Palestine to be worse under the British than under the Turks. Suggesting the need for a renewed Catholic protectorate, he thought the French “should take advantage of circumstances to enlarge the scope of this protectorate to include the Muslims whom we cannot leave alone and unarmed to face Zionism.” A February 1920 dispatch states outright that Palestine would benefit from the guardianship of France.

Since the exact boundary between the French and British mandates remained uncertain, Gouraud’s personal secretary, Robert de Caix, was dispatched to Jerusalem to discuss the issue with Sir Herbert Samuel, the British high commissioner. One historian, Peter A. Shambrook, has described de Caix as “the eminence grise at the Quai d’Orsay on the Levant question.” In a preliminary letter dated October 19, 1920, de Caix confirmed what was already political orthodoxy in his circle: the British and the Jews were conspiring together against French interests. From the outset he felt personally slighted because he had been “received in a rather mediocre way.” Samuel, he explained,

represents in Palestine what it is appropriate to call Anglo-Jewish policy. This well-mannered English Jew, scraped clean of the ghetto, has been completely taken up in Jerusalem by his tribe, and he attends synagogue, accepts no invitations on the Sabbath, and on holy days goes only on foot. It is a strange phenomenon when one reflects on the evident ignominy of Jews from Galicia and other surrounding regions who are now flooding Palestine but who draft people like Sir Herbert into their buffoonery. Before doing anything worthwhile in the country, these people dream of spreading at our expense, and you may be sure that the complete Jewry of both hemispheres will apply a policy consisting of rejecting our frontier.

In a lengthy final report, de Caix mentioned another personal insult: Samuel had declined an invitation to dine at the French consulate on the Sabbath. British policy, de Caix elaborated, may have been intended to exploit Jewish strength against France, but was in fact being exploited by it. Jews had infiltrated the local administration, and British officials were either lying low or leaving the country in disgust. As for the Jews, their religion was only a means to an end—“passionate nationalism and a thirst for revenge.” They would prove, he continued, harmful neighbors:

The frequent revolutionary and prophetic spirit of the Jews derives from the Bolshevism of the colonists whom Eastern Europe is sending to Palestine. Through conviction, and also through their instinctive tendency to fragment societies whose cohesion might stand in the way of their expansion, these people will . . . try to break the traditional framework of religious confessions [in Lebanon and Syria] that are already threatened for other reasons.

British rule in Palestine, de Caix concluded, amounted to a kind of despoiling. It had been allowed to occur only because the French had sacrificed themselves for the Allied cause on the Western front. But the French language and French intellectual influence were and ought to have remained paramount in the Holy Land. After all, the principal door of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre was constructed “in the solid and massive ogival style born in the 12th century in the Ile de France.” He ended with the consoling thought that the future of Zionism remained doubtful: more than any other people, the Jews had lost the habit of agriculture, and their settlement of the land was artificial, expensive, and divisive. “If under the British mandate the native [Arab] peoples have a tendency to react, there is every chance that they will try to maintain, as indeed they do in Egypt, the French culture, which retains such attraction.”

On November 3, General Gouraud seconded the conclusions of de Caix’s “remarkable report,” adding his opinion that Zionism was a threat to Syria as well. The loss of the Catholic protectorate made the care of French institutions more essential than ever. Twelve days later, Georges-Picot in a telegram from Beirut informed the ministry that British authorities in Jerusalem were taking precautions against riots and warning Muslims that they would be held responsible for any disorder. “This [British] attitude can only benefit our influence, as irritation with Zionism is only growing among . . . Muslims.” French consuls in mandatory Palestine became increasingly alarmist: Durieux in Haifa reported that the British were recruiting unemployed Jews as the core of a future Jewish army, and that Jewish and Protestant elements were attempting to cut the ground out from under the Catholics (that is, France). In May 1921, after riots in Jaffa, Durieux could at least write in relief that “our car was borne in triumph by the population crying ‘long live France, down with the Jews.’”



De Caix’s interpretation of Zionism would have a lasting impact at the Quai d’Orsay. From the French protectorate of Morocco, Marshal Hubert Lyautey, perhaps the most respected spokesman for old-style French imperialism, reiterated in June 1923 that Zionism lacked any internal authenticity; at the same time, he advised extreme caution lest this doctrine, which had “received its directives from abroad, [and] served principally the interests of a determined power,” be imported into Morocco.

Seeking to show who the Jews really were, an unsigned report dated December 2, 1925 drew attention to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Although this work, purporting to show evidence of a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world, had already by then been exposed as a czarist forgery, the author gives credence to its “facts” and concludes that, if the matter is to be taken seriously, have to deal with a really diabolical plan.” That same year, the French ambassador in Warsaw reported that a local Zionist conference constituted an appeal for special privileges by Jews unwilling to accept any idea of Polish nationality, or even of simple loyalty. Covering another Zionist congress in Cracow ten years later, the succeeding ambassador to Poland adapted this same critique to the changing tenor of the times: “Basing themselves on conceptions that are more racial than religious, they aspire to set up on both banks of the Jordan a Jewish state conceived on the fascist model.” This ambassador appears to have been among the first to draw a comparison between Zionism and Nazism, likening the Revisionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky to Hitler.

To be sure, one does find an occasional official disposed to a favorable view of Zionism, usually on the basis of first-hand experience. One such was Henry de Jouvenel, Gouraud’s successor as high commissioner in Syria. He visited Jerusalem in 1926 and later wrote: “Anti-Zionist when I arrived in the East, I became Zionist, or rather jealous of the British high commissioner in Palestine and all that the Zionists contribute.” Naturally, he added, France was obliged to support Christians, but the Jews were models of self-help, and their spirit of enterprise was admirable.

There were also realists like Philippe Berthelot, secretary general from 1920 to 1933, who commented that “Zionism is a fact” and regretted only that the Jews of England had understood the point of the movement while French Jews had proved unable to take “the lead of world Jewry to the benefit of France.” At Berthelot’s instigation, the Quai d’Orsay set up a special department for religious affairs under Louis Canet, which soon became, in the words of one historian, an obligatory antechamber for visiting Zionist leaders. After a meeting with Chaim Weizmann in May 1927, Canet concluded a memorandum with a clear expression of his own inne