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Postby pramzan on 10 Jul 2006, 05:13

Palo is correct.

But yes, the World Cup was to be held in Colombia but for some reason it was moved to Mexico. The excuse was that Colombia didn't have the stadiums necessary or couldn't complete them in time.

In the end, what really happened was that some big wig Mexican businessmen, bribed Havelange to change the location to Mexico.

If it were up to me, the World Cup would be held in Europe, the USA and once in a blue moon, Mexico. :)
But I do wonder why Agnelli ever allowed the appalling late Italo Allodi to be made general manager of Juventus when all Italy knew how he had "run" Solti on behalf of Inter for many years. -Glanville
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Postby agentesecreto on 10 Jul 2006, 19:00

LOL. Actually, I don't think you''re too far away from the truth, as somehow Mexico beat Brasil and Canada for it. The USA was out of the running because back then they had no FIFA juice. Mexico's media giant is Televisa, family owned and operated. They own 3 teams with FIFA's blessing , even though it's illegal according to FIFA, their family, the Escarraga's are very rich, are minority owners of Univision and great football fans. PLus one of Emilio Escarraga's luitenants was Blatter's and Havalange's sidekicks. Guillermo Cañedo, may God bless his soul for beinging our little country so much joy, was not only a Televisa executive but the chairman of the WC organizing Committee.

Those here that think that football is played on an even field, on or off the pitch are simply fools.
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Postby bineaz on 11 Jul 2006, 17:48

Poetic justice for Italy?

Italian football is a living, breathing paradox. Their players have so much technical ability, but the first lesson they learn is not to concede; a passionate, romantic view of the game is often married to utter cynicism.

Such is their inner belief that their national team can still win a World Cup despite their domestic championship falling apart at the seams because of a match-fixing scandal, which could send powerhouse clubs Juventus and AC Milan into the lower leagues.

Many teams at this World Cup have talked a good game (England springs easily to mind), only for the expectations of imminent glory to prove nothing more than hot air. Italy, on the other hand, tend to deliver. Four World titles speak for themselves and from my seat in the press box at Berlin's Olympiastadion on Sunday night, the joy sparked by this triumph was unbridled.

Winning is all matters in the land of 'calcio' and no Italian was celebrating any less because victory over the French in Berlin was only secured on penalties.

Indeed, for most fans and observers of the Squadra Azzurra, Sunday's spot-kick triumph was nothing more than poetic justice, coming on the heels of a hat-trick of World Cup shoot-out losses (against Argentina in the semi-final of Italia'90, to Brazil in the 1994 Final and at the hands of France in the quarter- finals of 1998).

'Yes, you can say penalties are a lottery and that it's not the ideal way to decide a game but that's the system in place and in this exercise, Italy had the strongest nerves,' declared Italy World Cup winner in 1982 Antonio Cabrini, who had the misfortune to miss a first-half penalty in that Final.

'I felt Zidane's sending off gave us the psychological edge. It couldn't have been easy for the French to lose their captain and creative genius and I was confident we'd come out on top in the shoot-out. After losing so many big games on penalties, we were due to have our day in the sun. I'm overjoyed, full marks to our guys. No one trembled in a real pressure situation.

'All in all, I think we deserved this title. We produced at just the right moment, in the knock-out phase. The team looked really sharp in the quarter-final with Ukraine, I thought we were by far the best team in the semi-final win over Germany and we did what we had to in the final. France are an excellent side but I thought we shaded it in terms of team organisation and sprit.'

Arrigo Sacchi, the boss of the Italian side which lost in a shoot-out to Brazil in the 1994 Final, was not at all surprised that the Azzurri and the French were only separated by a David Trezeguet penalty that smashed against the bar.

'This was always going to be close-fought, highly-tactical affair between two sides who were very similar in style, strong at the back, hard-working in midfield and quick to spring counter-attacks,' reflected Sacchi.

'The first-half belonged to Italy, while France had the better of things after the break. I thought we might have some joy in the air at set-pieces and so it proved. If Toni's header had gone in rather than hit the bar, it might have been a different game. Penalties have killed us in the past. It was nice to prevail this time.

'I'm delighted for Marcello Lippi and his squad. In the most difficult of circumstances, they are bringing home another world title and they can't be praised enough. Lippi has done an extraordinary job. He has put together a team of intelligence, technical ability and heart. Captain Fabio Cannavaro sums up the team perfectly. There was no better central defender than him at this tournament.

'Of course I'm sorry for Zinedine Zidane. He had to be red-carded for his attack on Materazzi. I hope it doesn't detract from what's been a marvellous career. We won't see his like again. When I was at Real Madrid last season [Sacchi was technical director at the Bernabeu], the view was that he was finished. We didn't doubt his professionalism but he didn't quite have the motivation and enthusiasm. The coaches at Real didn't think he could play a game every three days. How wrong we all were. Zidane has been another player at this World Cup, quite magnificent.'

Zindane was, indeed, great player, whose kind we are unlikely to see again, but what a shame about the farewell, but whatever prompted him to head-butt Italian stopper Marco Materazzi at such a crucial moment in extra-time?

True, Materazzi has a long history of thuggery and winding up opponents, but a player of Zidane's great experience should have known better. His red mist moment may well have cost France the Final, a conclusion, however, that few of his compatriots were willing to publicly air.

'It was terrible to see him sent off him,' sighed France's World Cup winning coach of 1998, Aime Jacquet. 'How do you begin to explain what made his blood boil. There was some provocation, some words were exchanged. Zizou is someone who reacts to things and didn't know how to control himself. It was so sad as I sincerely thought he was going to lift the Cup.

'France gave a great performance, one which deserved a lot more. All through the second-half and in extra-time, they looked the most likely to win. The Italians looked tired, we had the initiative and were superior technically. I was expecting Henry or someone else to score at any moment. Unfortunately, it didn't happen. The Italians did what they do best, soaking up the pressure and breaking up the game up. Sadly it wasn't to be in the shoot-out. With players drained mentally and psychologically, it's hit or miss.'

Ex-Marseille and Bordeaux manager Rolland Coubis also had trouble coming to terms with Zidane's red-card: 'It was so out of character. He's such a reserved, sensitive bloke who normally never even raises his voice. What he did was wrong but I still feel for him tonight. It all started so well for him, with that chipped penalty which took some guts and skill to execute. I'm not sure Zizou will tell the world what Materazzi said to him. But I'd love to know what made him blow a gasket.'

So the German nation can return to normality now that the sporting extravaganza has popped its final champagne cork, but it seems there is a mood over here is that they will only stop the party when we're good and ready. Anyone who thought that the German public would pack away their flags, replica shirts and face-paint after their semi-final loss was in for a shock.

The atmosphere in Stuttgart - where I watched Germany beat Portugal to secure third-place - was at fever-pitch, with fans besieging the team hotel and frenzied celebrations into the wee small hours in the city's central square, the Schlossplatz.

A few hours later, there were more scenes of mass ecstasy in Berlin, with Jurgen Klinsmann and his boys greeted by an estimated half a million grateful supporters at the Brandenburg Gate.

Outsiders may think the Germans were overdoing the euphoria, but it wasn't just a case of paying thanks for a bronze medal. Perhaps for the first time in their troubled history, Germans feel they can show love for their country without guilt and that is something to party over.

So it's all over for another four years - roll on South Africa in 2010.

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Postby Felix K on 11 Jul 2006, 18:03

German media are reporting that Jürgen Klinsmann won't renew his contract. Bummer. :(
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Postby .... on 11 Jul 2006, 18:05

Sven is available for the right price (about 7-8m Euros a year, I would imagine) :razz:
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Postby Felix K on 11 Jul 2006, 18:08

Chances are that the first name of the next German coach is Joachim...
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Postby .... on 11 Jul 2006, 18:12

But Bjorklund doesn't have much coaching experience. :razz:
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Postby Felix K on 11 Jul 2006, 18:15

Perhaps one of the soon-to-be Serie B newcomers is interested in changing that... the DFB certainly isn't ... :razz:
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Postby .... on 11 Jul 2006, 18:35

Yeah, well I guess it's a shame for you guys to lose Klinsmann, as he's coached a team who play a good attacking style of football. But who's to say that Low won't follow in his footsteps?

Anyway, Felix, sorry if I've taken the rivalry thing too far with my comments during the WC. It's just a football thing (not wanting Germany to win) and nothing personal.
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Postby Felix K on 11 Jul 2006, 18:44

Löw is certainly a very experienced coach. Definitely more so than Klinsmann, and he certainly has more football expertise than Klinsmann.

Anyway, Felix, sorry if I've taken the rivalry thing too far with my comments during the WC. It's just a football thing (not wanting Germany to win) and nothing personal.


No need to apologize for anything. One or two guys have made some VERY low comments (especially after the final match - I guess you know who I mean), but you were certainly far from anything like that.

And for that matter, you can rest assured that I'm looking forward to seeing a Germany vs England penalty shootout as soon as possible! :D
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Postby pramzan on 12 Jul 2006, 03:28

Yes, it's true. Klinsmann has resigned. Pity. He did a good job with that German squad even if technically they were mediocre at best. They have room to grow and develop and they will certainly get some other good German coach.

I wouldn't be too concerned.
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Postby Felix K on 12 Jul 2006, 05:34

Here's a little more nonsense from "Bild":

Bild's Materazzi/Zidane headline

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Materazzi confesses: How I insulted Zidane

"Bild" on Oliver Kahn

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Although he didn't even play one minute, ...
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Postby bineaz on 12 Jul 2006, 11:45

Blatter's Blabber about not being on the podium: Because it was an all European final so he let his VP, the head of Uefa do it.

Presidente Blatter, perché non ha consegnato lei la Coppa del mondo a Fabio Cannavaro?
"Perché ero convinto che trattandosi di una finale tutta europea l'onore spettasse al mio vicepresidente, e presidente dell'Uefa, Lennart Johansson. La decisione l'avevo presa in precedenza, dopo i quarti di finale, quando è stato chiaro che il titolo sarebbe comunque andato a una squadra del Vecchio continente. Mi sembrava un giusto omaggio al calcio europeo".

"Così ho proposto - prosegue Blatter - che a presentare il trofeo fosse il presidente della nazione organizzatrice, Horst Kohler, mentre a consegnarlo al vincitore ci avrebbe pensato Johansson e a dare le medaglie Michel Platini. Sono rimasto stupito nel leggere delle polemiche scoppiate in Italia: onestamente non capisco quale sia il problema".

http://www.repubblica.it/2006/07/specia ... atter.html


Oh and Zidane's mom want's Materazzi's testicles [balls] on a plate. She apparently has weird culinary tastes....
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Postby .... on 12 Jul 2006, 12:02

Well, at least we know not to touch the vol-au-vents next time we're dining chez Madame Zidane.
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Postby bineaz on 12 Jul 2006, 12:12

hehehe

Quotes of the tournament


"This World Cup has got a very international feel to it." - Jimmy Armfield, Radio 5 Live pundit.

"It was really difficult for us playing in the midday sun with that 3 o'clock kick-off." - David Beckham, after England 1 Paraguay 0.

"We lost to possibly the worst England team in history." - Jose Luis Chilavert, ex-Paraguay goalkeeper.

"England are the New York Mets. Massively, ridiculously overrated by their media, always involved in some sort of comic downfall, insane injuries, woeful management. A car crash waiting to happen, at which stage the local media go berserk." - Boston Globe's spookily prescient pre-tournament verdict.

"I'm surprised at Tony Blair flying the St George's flag. I thought he'd have been supporting America." - George Galloway MP.

"I've left him to boil in his own soup. He must change his computer chip." - Marcello Lippi, the Italy coach, on Daniele De Rossi's red card for elbowing a US player.

"I've got the passion, but no idea of tactics. I'd be like a black Kevin Keegan." - Ian Wright, BBC pundit.

"I'm not married to David Beckham. I'm not even engaged to him." - Sven Goran Eriksson on his close rapport with the captain.

"He whacked me hard on the head and left a big bruise. But I'm still going to wear my top and support England. I'd support Scotland if they were there." - apshaw, aged seven, assaulted for wearing the "Auld Enemy" shirt in Edinburgh.

"If Brazil are the best team in the World Cup, I'm Geri Halliwell." - Sir Elton John during the group stages.

"The US is out of the World Cup. We lose this thing every four years. It's like we're Democrats." - Jay Leno, host of the Tonight Show in America.

"Ninety minutes before a game there's not much a coach can do. You can't talk to players so you sit drinking tea." - Sven Goran Eriksson.
"Arsène Wenger took everyone to the Champions' League final except Theo Walcott. Even the tea lady." - Ossie Ardiles

"This game is not mathematics. In football, two plus two rarely equals four. Sometimes it's three. Often five." - Leo Beenhakker, Trinidad & Tobago coach before facing England

"The US finally came up with an exit strategy. Unfortunately it's for the World Cup." - Jay Leno.

"When they get back to Manchester United's training ground, I wouldn't be surprised if Rooney doesn't stick one on him." - Alan Shearer after the Wayne Rooney-Cristiano Ronaldo spat.

"We've shown that we're not criminals but great footballers." - Alessandro Del Piero, helping Italy into the final as scandal engulfed Juventus.

"I'm not watching the World Cup. I'm Welsh and I don't like football." - Gavin Henson, rugby union player.

"He was very sad for everything that happened but this is life. He is a human being, not a god." - Alain Migliaccio, Zinedine Zidane's agent, following the Frenchman's sending-off in the World Cup final.

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Postby bineaz on 12 Jul 2006, 12:21

Everyone has their own theory about what Matrix said: (most likely he called his sister a prostitute).

Here's my take on what he said:

I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
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Postby bineaz on 12 Jul 2006, 12:27

Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.
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Postby Leonid on 12 Jul 2006, 21:13

Eugene Volokh

Three Reasons Why Real Football Is Superior to American Football:

1. It actually mostly involves the ball being moved with the foot.

2. Head-butting an opponent is seen as reason for a penalty, rather than praise.

3. When the World Championship is held, it involves teams from more than one country.
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Postby bineaz on 13 Jul 2006, 10:50

The article is a bit cynical focusing on the negative more than the beautiful, but there is something to be said about implementing incentives to change a player's mentality. I'd still like to see adding more substitutes and more than just three so the game can be continued.

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Scoring by fiat of referee deserves a yellow card


By William Birdthistle

Published July 12, 2006

Even before this year's World Cup culminated in the assault and battery of an Italian chest by a French skull, the tournament had deteriorated into a spectacle that only a lawyer could love. As perhaps befits the Prussian hosts, the world's largest sporting event may be remembered less for the beauty of play and more for the administration of justice.

All of the 32 participating teams received at least one of the record 320-plus formal cautions, or yellow cards, that were issued during the competition's 64 games.

Amid this blizzard of more than five citations per match--double the rate of goals scored--one participant emerged as the central figure to watch in each match: the referee. Referees provided the critical plot twist in many games by ejecting players, which they did 27 times, or awarding penalty kicks, which they did 17 times, 13 of which resulted in goals, six deciding games.

No discussion of the championship would be complete without noting that France made it to the final only after winning their semifinal 1-0 on a penalty kick and that Italy scraped through their first knockout match 1-0 on a penalty kick that was the game's last touch of the ball. Eventually, Italy took home the trophy following a tumultuous finale in which the player voted best of the tournament, Zinedine Zidane, embodied the festival of crime and punishment first by scoring from a penalty and then by winning a red card for his aforementioned cranial re-enactment of Napoleon at Marengo.

Beyond the statistics, however, were the antics, and some of the most memorable images featured players feigning injury, simulating innocence or faking surprise.

Anyone who watched even a few minutes of the tournament is likely to have seen a player (at slight or invisible provocation) heave himself to the grass and writhe as if possessed by spirits unclean, only to arise with manly resolve moments later. These all-too-professional theatricals were performed for the benefit of the officials in an effort to win a critical yellow card, red card or penalty. With good reason, the players might have concluded that disciplinary action was more valuable than one of the 1.875 goals per game that were scored without involving penalties.

Of course, any system of adjudication that possesses powerful remedies is always vulnerable to perjury. While FIFA, international soccer's governing body, permits referees to punish players who bear false witness to their injuries, rarely did the referees in Germany issue cards for diving, so the theater flourished. Consequently, many referees have been vilified for being so cretinous as to miss an obvious penalty or so credulous as to award one. And great effort has been spent considering suggestions for ways to help referees assemble the facts: for example, by adding another referee to the field, using TV replays or issuing retroactive punishment.

American sports make far more use of these options, typically deploying many more fact-finders per square foot of playing field than soccer. Basketball uses three referees; baseball has four umpires; and football could practically field another team with its quota of officials. So, one might ask, do all those extra eyes see the truth and squelch the players' advocacy?

Balls and strikes are still argued in every game; contact under the basket can easily be charged to whomever the referee deems; and some variety of holding occurs on almost every down of football. But where, then, are the packs of players surrounding officials with operatic petitions?

Those scenes are rare in U.S. sports not because the officials have greater acuity than soccer referees or because they make every call correctly but because the consequences of any given error are far less dire. Except in very rare circumstances, an official in an American sport does not have the ability to award a punishment that will lead to the only score in a game. In soccer, a penalty kick routinely constitutes the only goal in a game--just ask Italy and France.

So perhaps instead of focusing only on policing, FIFA should reconsider its sentencing guidelines; that is, the rewards and punishments its referees can administer. Why should a penalty kick be worth the same as a goal scored in open play? A free-throw is not worth the same as a basket scored in open play. Many sports feature multitiered scoring systems that reflect the relative difficulty of scoring in a particular way: In football, a field goal is worth only 3 points, while a point-after attempt is worth 2 or 1, depending on how a team makes the attempt.

No doubt the notion of fiddling with scores is already outraging soccer purists, who will hearken to the venerable history of the sport.

Of course, some of the grandest old diversions have no difficulty accounting for the relative worth of different scores. In cricket, hitting the ball out of the park in the air is worth 6 runs while doing so along the ground is only 4. The ancient Gaelic game of hurling awards 3 points for hitting the slither past a goalkeeper but only 1 for putting it over the uprights. Even in rugby, a try is worth 5 points; the conversion of same is worth 2; and a drop-kick through the posts is worth 3.

More important, rugby has altered its scoring system many times in the last century or so--as early as 1891 and as recently as 1992--regularly fine-tuning the players' incentives.

If soccer can figure out a way to award more value to a goal scored in open play than one issued by the fiat of a referee, the sport may be able to dilute the impact of the officials so that we can fully savor the beautiful game.

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William Birdthistle is an assistant law professor at Chicago-Kent College of Law.

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Postby Pabs on 15 Jul 2006, 19:55

WC 2006 Final Standings

(for Bineaz who wanted this listed before the tournament started)

1 Italy
2 France
3 Germany
4 Portugal
5 Brazil
6 Argentina
7 England
8 Ukraine
9 Spain
10 Switzerland
11 Netherlands
12 Ecuador
13 Ghana
14 Sweden
15 Mexico
16 Austrailia
17 Korea Rep
18 Czech Rep
19 Paraguay
20 Cote d'Ivoire
21 Poland
22 Croatia
23 Angola
24 Tunisia
25 USA
26 Iran
27 T&T
28 Japan
29 Saudi Arabia
30 Togo
31 Costa Rica
32 Serbia/Mont
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Postby Eugene Berkovich on 17 Jul 2006, 09:30

Pabs wrote:WC 2006 Final Standings

(for Bineaz who wanted this listed before the tournament started)

1 Italy
2 France
3 Germany
4 Portugal
5 Brazil
6 Argentina
7 England
8 Ukraine
9 Spain
10 Switzerland
11 Netherlands
12 Ecuador
13 Ghana
14 Sweden
15 Mexico
16 Austrailia
17 Korea Rep
18 Czech Rep
19 Paraguay
20 Cote d'Ivoire
21 Poland
22 Croatia
23 Angola
24 Tunisia
25 USA
26 Iran
27 T&T
28 Japan
29 Saudi Arabia
30 Togo
31 Costa Rica
32 Serbia/Mont


Europe may, indeed, have the worst team of the tournament, but it is also the only one in bottom ten
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Postby Falc on 17 Jul 2006, 09:59

Pabs wrote:WC 2006 Final Standings

(for Bineaz who wanted this listed before the tournament started)

Europe
South America
Africa
North America
Oceania
Asia



1 Italy
2 France
3 Germany
4 Portugal

5 Brazil
6 Argentina

7 England
8 Ukraine
9 Spain
10 Switzerland
11 Netherlands

12 Ecuador
13 Ghana
14 Sweden
15 Mexico
16 Austrailia
17 Korea Rep
18 Czech Rep
19 Paraguay
20 Cote d'Ivoire
21 Poland
22 Croatia

23 Angola
24 Tunisia

25 USA
26 Iran
27 T&T
28 Japan
29 Saudi Arabia

30 Togo
31 Costa Rica
32 Serbia/Mont
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Postby lillie on 17 Jul 2006, 10:28

Congrats Italy (but boy.... does Materazzi look as if he's straight from Silvio Berlusconi school of eyeservants?)
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Postby bineaz on 17 Jul 2006, 11:19

Thanks Pabs!
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Postby Pabs on 17 Jul 2006, 14:49

eyeservants ?

I never heard this term before. lillie ?
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Postby Pabs on 27 Jul 2006, 23:43

stars on Kits to represent WC wins

How did this tradition of placing stars above the NT badge to represent WC wins come about ?

anybody know ?
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Postby lillie on 28 Jul 2006, 09:41

An eyeservant is someone who is sanctimonious about something they're doing themselves. Sort of what you see on the surface isn't what you get when you start to scratch some. If you condemn someone for something you're engaged in yourself or so. One prerequisite would probably be that set it like one side you can see and another which is not visible.
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Postby Eugene Berkovich on 28 Jul 2006, 10:53

lillie wrote:An eyeservant is someone who is sanctimonious about something they're doing themselves. Sort of what you see on the surface isn't what you get when you start to scratch some. If you condemn someone for something you're engaged in yourself or so. One prerequisite would probably be that set it like one side you can see and another which is not visible.


Isn't there a better word for it? Like "Hypocrite"?
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Postby lillie on 28 Jul 2006, 11:28

It's not really the same, an eyeservant puts more effort into it. A hypocrite you can be trough simple neglience but I wouldn't say that about an eyeservant.
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Postby agentesecreto on 29 Jul 2006, 03:00

bah. All that shit to call someone a phoney?
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Postby Pabs on 23 Sep 2006, 14:20

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Postby Pabs on 09 Jun 2007, 17:02

One year ago today ...

June 09, 2007

BERLIN (AP) -- Franz Beckenbauer presented a glowing picture of the benefits the 2006 World Cup brought to Germany on the anniversary of the soccer tournament's opening game.

Beckenbauer, president of the World Cup organizing committee, said Saturday that hosting soccer's showcase gave the Germans a worldwide image boost, was a financial success and even enjoyed the luck of good weather.

A cold rainy spell in Germany lifted days before the June 9 opener in which Germany beat Costa Rica 4-2. The balmy weather, atypical for the country, remained throughout the monthlong tournament.

"We had every lucky God in the universe on our side," Beckenbauer said. "I'm happy that everybody profited from the World Cup."

Fans spent 2.86 billion euros (C$4.05 billion) during the tournament, according to a study by Mainz University, part of 3.88 billion euros (C$5.5 billion) the World Cup is estimated to pump into the country's economy through 2008.

That will generate 1.27 billion euros (C$1.8 billion) in taxes, the study said.

The 1.3 million foreign visitors were estimated to have spent more than one billion euros (C$1.41 billion).

The study, however, is contradicted by a report the German Institute for Economic Research released in April. The institute said foreign fans only spent around 500 million euros (C$709 million) and concluded that the World Cup brought "no positive total economic effects worth mentioning."

Beckenbauer said Germany's image was improved thanks to the event, which was followed by billions worldwide, as the country managed to control the hooliganism that had overshadowed previous World Cups, especially those held in Europe.

"It was a peaceful party of different cultures," Beckenbauer said. "We were good hosts, and now we have sympathy on our side."

The World Cup committee showed a 155 million euro (C$220 million) profit from hosting the soccer tournament, but the money that flowed into the economy also paid for 800 million euros (C$1.13 billion) in construction.

"We completely fulfilled our wishes and hopes," said Horst R. Schmidt, the soccer federation's general secretary. "We have first-class stadiums, got a good infrastructure, Germany's image was permanently improved and the federation gained 150,000 new members."

The soccer federation also said it was thrilled about the flag-waving and donning of colours that erupted among the German public.

The German media celebrated the one-year anniversary with special pages full of the highlights from last year's World Cup.
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Postby Arcade Fire on 09 Jun 2007, 18:56

Fair play to the Kaiser. Germany were excellent hosts indeed.
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Postby Pabs on 24 Jun 2007, 00:23

Mark

although Germany were great hosts and they pulled it off, I'm not so sure "fair play" is a correct term.

I don't know if you followed the 2006 WC selection process, but way back in 2000, when the WC was awarded to Germany there was a huge scandal that was the talk of the footballing world for a few weeks in the aftermath. On the old board we used at the time it was very big topic.

If you or unaware of the 2006 WC Selection process, or simply forgot, do a search on the words 'Charles Dempsey' + 'Oceania' + 'World Cup Vote'.

I hate saying it but guys like Blatter, Warner, majority of Serie A/B owners, MANY MANY MANY other (even the Kaiser himself) are as corrupt as can be.

There is no doubt that somebody attempted to bribe the Oceania vote to vote for Germany and not South Africe. This is a documented fact.
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Postby agentesecreto on 24 Jun 2007, 14:51

Pabs is right, as funny as that sounds.
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Postby bineaz on 09 Oct 2007, 11:15

A belated Happy German-American Day.

Again: I'm not kidding:

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