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So the Canadian did good today. Maybe he won't get booed.

There is someting about these pitches.

Yeah it has looked like the football hasn't been good; lost of players sliding and falling.

It looks like a bad break for Owen.

There is someting about these pitches.

players are falling over themselves and others actually getting hurt.

Cisse, Owen and someone else.

I read somewhere that the pitches were laid 6 days before kickoff??

Including the one in St Etienne where Cisse was injured?

Falc - I'm assuming Owen is out, you can almost always tell by the reaction of the player and the physios.

surnami wrote:It looks like a bad break for Owen.

There is someting about these pitches.

players are falling over themselves and others actually getting hurt.

Cisse, Owen and someone else.

I read somewhere that the pitches were laid 6 days before kickoff??

Lucho Gonzalez from Argentina. Slipped 10' into the game, pulled a muscle, 10 days off (at least).

It's nothing to do with the pitches, play this many games and players get injured.

Owen twisted his knee and Gonzalez pulled a muscle. Must be the pitches!!!

FFS!!!

Ali - The look he had on his face as he was falling said everything. Unfortunately, I know it all too well. When I did the ACL on my left knee, I knew as soon as it happened. When I finally came to and walked to the bench, one of my teammates asked if I would be able to come back on. I told him I would nto be back on for the rest of the season. Something tore or snapped in his knee to make him buckle like that. It is just one of those freak things that happen.

It wasn't so much when he fell that was telling it was the way he jumped when a physio touched his knee.

And the way the physio said "right, he's off" striaght afterwards.

So, if it is an ACL we can all assume he's manlier than you as he didn't pass out.

It did not look like the pitch gave in when Owen injured himself. It is as simple as being in a awkward position as far as the knee goes. His legs were spread apart and he did not have good balance. When I did my right knee at the age of 19, I was running full speed chasing a ball down and tried to cut to my right. My cleats planted into the ground and as I was trying to move to the right, I hyperextended my leg. Ligament snapped into two (like a rubber band being snapped). Five years later, tore cartilage in the same knee when I tried to make a quick stop as a teammate of mine made a quick turn while we were in a training session. Then at age 34, went up to head a ball on a free kick. I really got up high. Unfortunately, no one challenged me for the ball or else I would have ended up on my rump. Instead, my body was leaning towards my left and as I came down, it was looking like the Tower of Pisa while I landed on my left leg. Sounded like a bunch of springs going off in my knee. In all 3 injuries, it was the awkward way my body/legs were in position that caused the injury. Not the pitch and not by contact. Go figure.

Thank you, England, for the wonderful football. David Beckham was a true leader of the team again, I can hardly recall when he isn't.

It's always that way with the knee.

It was with mine anyway.

I guess screwing it up a few years before when a car became attracted to my motorbike wasn't a huge help!!

LOL - I guess I should clarify come to. When I had strength to get up and walk. Initially, the shock to your leg kind of leaves it immobilized. The ACL is the ligament that connects between the bones in your knees and prevents the thigh bone from falling forward. Looking at how he went down, it may likely be the ACL. The other injury that may have occurred is the tendon that attached the quadricep to the patella. Bill Clinton had that injury years ago at the home of Norm, oh forget his last name, the Australian golfer nicknamed the Shark. That is my guess. I may be wrong but it does not look good for Owen long term. His WC is definitely done.

Did Clinton get the injury at the home of Greg Norman or from crawling around on the floor sucking interns clunges?

lol@clunges

I can't get into the 21st century while Wales is just seeing in the end of the medieval age, Ali

Nah, I had used those chat programs a while back, but found some people a little "clingy" and mildly psychotic. Could always get it again though.

BTW: Don't know if anyone else gets our coverage of the WC, but has anyone else heard/seen Tony Woodcock recently? Not only does he sound German these days, but he actually looks German

Leonid, are you taking the piss there? I thought we were good in the first half, but pretty poor in the second (especially at defending set plays), though I'd have to give Sweden credit for their effort.

Mark

I do believe he was being sarcastic!

Yeah yeah, I knew that, was just checking

On their way home...

Mark

I don't like the English game so far. I think they can and should do better, a whole lot better.

Tony Woodcock was playing for Cologne more than 20 years ago, right?

In any case, Sweden will be a very reliable gauge to measure Germany, or so I think.

The boys will not be lonely when they get home. hehehe

mate wrote:For me, England had the following problems this game:

1) Lack of depth at forward: Owen was hurt immediately, prompting a duo of an unfit Rooney and limited Crouch to take over.

2) David Beckham: a useless junk of a player that is a defensive liability and does NOTHING for the offense.

3) Bad substitution: Sol Campbell is past his best. Why not bring in Ledley King? You can argue that Gerrard was a good sub, but it was negated by taking off Rio.

4) Lack of 90 minute concentration: the team fights, but suffers mental lapses to the point where they expend energy foolishly. They managed sometimes to actually control the ball for stretches...they need to sustain it to take full command of a game.

Mate;
Ledley King isn't in the squad for Germany as he was injured towards the end of the season but had he been it would have been a better option than Sol.

Sven took too many midfield players and not enough strikers. Jermaine Defoe in place of Jermaine Jenas would have opened his hands more.

As for Beckham, just forget it. He won't even sub the him no matter how badly he plays. I don't think he did too badly last night but even if he had, Sven doesn't have the guts to sub him. That will be England's downfall in the end.

As I suspected .....

England F Owen has torn ACL, out for rest of World Cup

June 21, 2006
BADEN-BADEN, Germany (Ticker) - England striker Michael Owen has a torn ACL in his right knee and will miss the rest of the World Cup.

Owen sustained the injury in the first minute of England's 2-2 draw against Sweden in a Group B game at Cologne on Tuesday.

"Michael is flying back from Germany today (Wednesday) and sadly his World Cup is over," Newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd said. "We've been informed by the FA that Michael has suffered a ruptured anterior cruciate ligament, but at this stage it's too early to say how long he will be out for, although it is a serious injury.

"He'll come home and back into our care and will be assessed by our club medical staff at some point in the next couple of days following his return."

The 26-year-old Owen, who missed the second half of last season with a broken foot suffered on New Year's Eve, flew back to the team hotel on Wednesday and underwent an MRI, which revealed the torn ACL.

England (2-0-1) finished as Group B winners and will face Ecuador on Sunday in the second round.

Too bad. Good thing he started young, he'll have a chance for a fourth World Cup.

His club will be compensated. Too bad.

Fuquit wrote:Owen twisted his knee according to the first reports.

Scan to come.

Falc - You have to twist it more for an ACL, and there's no way he would have just rolled off the pitch.

Unless he's tougher thann he looks!!

As a veteran of two torn ACLs (and a torn miniscus and a torn PCL) and 11 surgeries to fix the damage, I believe I can state with authority, you do not have to displace your knee joint much to tear ACL. Sometimes (it happened to me once) you can tear ACL by putting a lot of weight on it when your leg is overextended. Sometimes you can hear a very discernible crack as your ACL tears. Pain will alarm you that is your ACL.

"They are massively over-paid and over-hyped," said Waddle, who started six of England's seven matches at Italia '90. "Players today are superstars. We've been trying to build this team up since 1998, projecting the image that England can be the best. We're not the best. We're a million miles off. We need to get back to reality. We still struggle possession-wise.

"We lack ideas and creativity and need to go back to the drawing board. We need to get players playing like Paul Gascoigne, Beardsley and Barnes. It's time to throw the coaching manuals in the bin. We should be getting kids enjoying street football like the Africans do. How do the Brazilians keep producing the players they do? The coaching here has got silly: taking badges and teaching under-7s and under-6s. We never got coached until we were under-14s. I just wish we had realised in 1990 that we had a decent team."

What idiot came up with that which you're quoting? And when?

England has actually been better the latter years thanks to Svennis actually brought in some discipline. Paul Gascoigne may have had talent but someone with his boozing habits wouldn't last long in the competition that is today (unless docusoap headlines are what you're after).

Here she comes, klatuesque stalker. What did Swedes do to deserve it...shudder:)

I wouldn't call Chris Waddle an "idiot", Lillie. Marseille were one of the best teams in Europe in the late 80s/early 90s, and he was a star in their team from 89-92, a real fans favourite.

How is England better today than before Sven? I don't think England was any less sucessful 96&98. '96 with the undisciplined Gazza they lasted longer than Svens managed so far with England.

Mark, pardon I express myself bluntly at times. If someone quotes something I'd like to see who is being quoted. Gretzky was a terrific player but as GM and analyzing he hasn't been that terrific, I like Gretzky, liked him better than Mario Lemieux.

Glenn, they had more players than Gazza, England as a whole could field a more complete team (and I had Keegan as something of an idol when I played as a kid). If a whole nation can reach panic level because two players are hurt and therefore questionable it says something about the material from which you have to choose from, and that in a country with greater population than Sweden and where also the sport is dominant (I believe it is since I don't cricket or rugby has more participants). So I don't see it necesarily so that England was as good before but rather that other nations is closing in in competition. I'm not saying that Gazza was a bad player but I'd doubt you'd find many clubs that would shed a lucrative contract on someone as him today, maybe as a kind of attention span like when Cuban hired dennis Rodman after Rodman's career really was six feet under since a long time ago.

But he has a point there though, maybe it's not that terrific to become too serious too early and let the technique be built up by play & fun in early years rather than getting too serious in early years.

But I'm cheering for England from now, not because of Sven but because I've lived there for a while.

There has been some speculation (or rather straight) that Lagerbäck should start packing his bags and that they should´try and get someone like M. Laudrup instead. And I agree, Lagerbäck seems to bent on sticking on to the same thing we've always done and in pressconferences he acts as if the players are little children who should be shielded from accurate criticism. When he says that he thought Sweden played well against T & T you have to figure that more than one person wondered on which planet he was.

About idiots...

"But there's one important thing to keep in mind... people are idiots.

Stupidity pervades every aspect of life, even the front offices of NHL teams. Being an NHL general manager doesn't mean someone is smart, competent, or even sober. Do you really think all 30 NHL general managers are deserving of their posts? Or that every member of each NHL team's scouting department knows what he's doing?

Not every NHL GM is stupid. Some are dumb."


From

http://www.lcshockey.com/feb06/062606.asp

ROFLMAO, saw that Svennis has started to whipping his dogs (some journalists) in pressconferences. On questioning on what he think Scolari would have done would he have had the job - "Scolari might have had you thrown out by now".

An anger management course for Rooney perhaps?