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Parma shows some life

Bravo Parma. They show some life by equalizing at the 85th minute, goal by Marchionni. It came after he shot and a save by Buffon. I guess the Juve defense was caught napping.

ADP was subbed at the 63rd minute of the 2nd half with Zalayeta.

Serie A -- The Return of the Befana


BAH -- Well it keeps the top two race interesting. It would have been nice to get the full three points, but Parma needs every point it can get, especially now that they are up for sale again. Milan is on a roll, but I doubt they can keep it up the rest of the way; then again it won't be that easy for Juve either. Sampdoria stopped Udinese as Inter inches closer in a CL spot. Virei, per usual, scores against the lesser teams. Palermo loses to Reggina and Cagliari takes the island derby from Messina.

Parma And Juve Fans Fight Pitch Battle
1/6/2005 8:10:00 PM
Violence marred the end of Parma's clash with Juventus as fans of both teams fought on the pitch after the game.
Parma supporters found their way on to the playing field after their team's 1-1 draw with the Serie A leaders and began taunting the Juve fans.

Television pictures showed one man being kicked on the ground, while others battled with sticks as police struggled to quell the disturbance after the Juventus fans broke out of their enclosure.

Most other supporters had left the stadium before the trouble started and no serious injuries were immediatly reported.

2cold wrote:Parma And Juve Fans Fight Pitch Battle
1/6/2005 8:10:00 PM
Violence marred the end of Parma's clash with Juventus as fans of both teams fought on the pitch after the game. Parma supporters found their way on to the playing field after their team's 1-1 draw with the Serie A leaders and began taunting the Juve fans.

Television pictures showed one man being kicked on the ground, while others battled with sticks as police struggled to quell the disturbance after the Juventus fans broke out of their enclosure.

Most other supporters had left the stadium before the trouble started and no serious injuries were immediatly reported.

So Pramzan was getting kicked on the ground by his brother-in-law, father-in-law and wife too?

Roma loses 3-1 to Lazio.

How many goals is that for Lazio:

Montero

I'm finally converted too. He sucks. Cost Juve 2 points all by himself.

Good result for Parma as they deserved to lose. Having Marchionni score 5 minutes from time was very satisfying. I just HATE Parma-based Juve fans.

As to the violence, I hope some of those Parmigiani that root for Juve got their asses kicked.

Roma loses to Lazio???

How the hec did that happen?

Casati wrote:Roma loses to Lazio???

How the hec did that happen?

Lazio scored more goals than Roma! :P

All four goals in that match were sweet goals. DiCanio put in this volley that I can best describe as a type of play where a receiver catches the ball over his shoulders. He hit the volley while running forward and the ball was coming from behind him. What a goal.

The DiCanio goal was well taken. He really fired people up.

I couldn't believe that both teams finished with all 11 players on the pitch. Maybe Italian refs allow more hard fouls than what I am used to seeing in La Liga. My guess is that a Spanish ref would have shown more than one player a couple of yellows.

Will some kind of fine/penalty be enforced as a result of the stuff being thrown on the pitch? I think one player was hit in the leg with a bottle of water; a flare was thrown onto the pitch; and some kind of firecracker was also thrown (it went off near Totti and the ref).

Alma

It was a derby afterall. Won't Real/Atletico be also hard fought?

I'm not sure if disciplinary action will be meted out or not, but the Olimpico fans haven't been on their best behavior this season.

If you look at the most recent derbys or the clásico (Real Madrid - Barcelona), the players have been on their best behavior. Our problem has been the fans. That said, this Sunday could be an exception because there has been some more trash talking.

Still, were you surprised that no one was sent off? There were a couple of guys on the Lazio side that would not have lasted 90 minutes in La Liga (I think they had the same last name). I'm not saying refs here are better - I actually think our refs are awful - I'm just saying that I was surprised that no one was sent off.

Alma,

I haven't seen the match yet, but the report I read said the match was "denso di agonismo." 8 players were carded, so the ref did get close. I haven't seen much of the official, Dondarini, though. I'm not always so useless.

pramzan,

Was the Befana good to your daughter? You mentioned that your family had a little Thanksgiving, did you have a Santa Claus at Christmas too?

Alma Merengue wrote:Still, were you surprised that no one was sent off? There were a couple of guys on the Lazio side that would not have lasted 90 minutes in La Liga (I think they had the same last name). I'm not saying refs here are better - I actually think our refs are awful - I'm just saying that I was surprised that no one was sent off.

Alma - In Italy, it is a real man's game.

It was a rough game. I think the referee did not want to give either side an advantage. This derby has had its shares of problems. Last season, one of the matches did not get played because a rumor spread throughout the stadium that a young boy was stabbed and killed outside the gates. So I think the referee was trying his best to keep things under control.

Falc

Roma was heavily favored but as usual, that doesn't mean much. A derby is a derby. Throw the records out the window and don't listen to the bookmakers. Anything can happen.

Juve has got to put away its chances better. I have some REAL doubts about this team. I just don't think ADP, Ibra, and Zalayeta are enough to get the job done.

And, the perennially crippled Trez doesn't do us much good when he takes most of every season off.

If Moggi doesn't sign a striker, we are going to suffer.

FCK

Casati....I haven't posted much lately because I've been very busy at work...plus I've been much more focused on the Steelers than Serie A.

I'm pumped about this year, to say the least.

Are you fired up about the Jets this weekend?

I think it will be a close game, but I think San Diego will pull it out in the end. In the other AFC matchup, I think the Colts will wipe the floor with Denver.

Juve is done.

Their lack of depth will kill them this year. They can hold one goal leads with their good players, but the more you play guys like Montero, the more those one goal leads won't be enough.

Inter is ON THE RISE!!!

Too bad Milan is unstoppable.

Milan is peaking too soon. They need to wait another month and a half to be on all cylinders. They will crash and burn.

Juve has a new striker coming. A French guy named Trezeguet. From what I read, his shoulder surgery went well and is healing properly. He will probably play next week against Atalanta in the Copa Italia. Capello does need to work on his central defense. Maybe everyone's new favorite bidone, Legrotagglie, might find new life.

Only two match days left and the cycle begins again. Juve has Livorno and Cagliari. The second match could be a tough one at the Sardinian Island. Milan has two difficult games: at Palermo and home against Udinese. Inter may go back to its drawing ways against Sampdoria and Reggina. Udinese hosts Cagliari this Sunday and then travels to San Siro. The rest of the NFC, I mean Serie A will go up and down.

Giornata 18 del 09/01/2005
Bologna - Chievo
Fiorentina - Lazio
Inter - Sampdoria
Juventus - Livorno
Lecce - Reggina
Messina - Brescia
Palermo - Milan
Roma - Atalanta
Siena - Parma
Udinese - Cagliari

Giornata 19 del 16/01/2005
Atalanta - Siena
Brescia - Fiorentina
Cagliari - Juventus
Chievo - Roma
Lazio - Palermo
Livorno - Messina
Milan - Udinese
Parma - Lecce
Reggina - Inter
Sampdoria - Bologna

Yeah, what Falc said.

What they need to add is more scoring all the way around, from whomever, the defense will be fine. The transfer season has been pretty quiet. I wonder if Moggi will still pull a Moggi out of his briefcase.

FORZA JUVE

and

FORZA PALERMO

:!: :!:

Well.........we all knew Roma's 5-year-undefeated Derby streak would end. lazio came to play....or hack....either way, they had they intensity needed for the result.

All 3 goals came from bonehead mistakes, and lazio were really lucky not to be down a man after the first 10 minutes.

lazio were ready to play dirty and we weren't...in the end, that was the difference...I'm sure this current Roma side will never again take a Derby so lightly when it comes to physicality.....lazio were so much more physical....

Really upset with DeRossi...I thought he would step up - he had a miserable game.

Pelizzoli and Mexes were shit, as was Mancini, who still doesn't know how to play defense.

Totti started well, then slowly and surely was taken out of the game by double-teams, cheap fouls, and lack of support...Casano's goal was his only bright spot - he too had a shit game.


lazio deserved it - no crying here. The hardest part of this loss isn't the 3 points - it's watching DiCanio celebrate.

We'll win the return...normally I would never offer such a prediction about a Derby, but after yesterday, I know our boys will be just as nasty next time.

Apparently DiCanio's celebration after the match is being looked into by the league.

He's giving a nazi-salute in this picture to the Curva Nord. I can't post pictures, so have a look:

http://www.repubblica.it/2005/a/sezioni ... _12460.jpg

If there are any doubters about his pose, or if one wants to think that he was 'coincidentally' photographed in this manner - you should all know that he wore an "irriducible" t-shirt for a televised calcio awards show (lazio's self-professed right-wing), and he has the Roman translation of "Il Duce" (Mussolini) tatoo-ed on his fore-arm.....

like I said, watching him celebrate was worse than losing the Derby.....nothing will be made of his inciteful actions, just as nothing is done about hooliganism, or fans throwing things on the pitch and injuring players, which happened twice yesterday to Roma players (where's the stadium ban?)

Nothing will come from this - nothing.

In my opinion, DiCanio has the right to be a nazi, and the right to celebrtate it; but the issue lies in his doing that in front of 80,000-90,000 fans where the supporters are close to 50%-Romanisti and -50% laziali (even if it's a lazio "home" game). That's dangerous, and Roma's complaint is justified in it's own right.

The picture is really evil. I suggest you all peep it and KNOW what this man and what this team are about.

Piero

As you know, I haven't been watching much calcio either. I wanted to tape the Roma derby but I friekin forgot.

Excited about the Jets? Are you kidding me? Excited about what? A one dimensional offense (Curtis Martin) thanks to that outdated offensive coordinator Paul Hackett? Excited about a QB with a sore shoulder whose offensive line can't give him enough time to breathe let alone throw a pass? Excited about a defense whose secondary looked worse than OU's against the Rams last week? Excited about a team who lost 3 of their last 4 games and finished 5-6 in their last 11?

Please. They suck. I understand it's the playoffs and anything can happen. It's one game and they have a shot. But the Chargers are on fire. Drew Brees and Ladanian Tomlinson are going to have a field day. The Jets can't rely on Curtis Martin alone. Pennington will have to step up but he will need pass protection. He was sacked 6 times last week against the Rams. That's pathetic. Plus, the Chargers have covered 11 times this season. They're favored by 6. If you're a gambling man, take the Chargers and give the 6.

The only thing I see the that's advantageous to the Jets is that the Chargers are coached by Marty Shottenheimer. He's a choke in the playoffs. And guess what? that ain't enough to beat the Chargers.

BTW... as impressive as the Steelers have been, I still believe that the Pats are the team to beat. It should be a good playoff season, at least in the AFC.

dezzi

You don't need to convince me who are the true hooligans in Italian football. Many of the Lazio ultras are ignorant and bigotted low lifes. I saw that a few years ago so this latest incident with DiCanio saluting them in a Hitler like fashion after Thursday's match is no surprise to me.

Di Canio: Piece of shit. Forza Roma in the return! Ah nice 6-0 with a broken leg for Di Canio!

I can't blame you for picking the Pats in the AFC. Until Cowher wins the SB, he's going to have his doubters--especially in the NY media.

The Fan 660 announcers seem to always hate the Steelers and kiss Belicheck's ass every chance they get.

I like the fact that many in the media still overlook the Steelers after 15 wins. That's going to get us even more pissed off and hungry when playoff time rolls around.

Alma


Forgive me for missing your post regarding the rough play that manifested in this weekend's Rome Derby.

Falc doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to Serie A - don't let his long-standing posting/Administrator title confuse you to see someone who actually knows what they're talking about - he really doesn't.

The match neeeded a more experienced official. One that would have shown cards earlier and sent the message that cheap play was not to be tolerated. Instead, we got an official who decided to let things go as long as they could, and when it turned ugly late - it was TOO late.

The fouls comitted in the first 10 minutes by both Fillipini brothers were BOTH worthy of red....when the ref only gave ONE yellow - it set the tone for what we witnessed at the end of the game.

A derby is hard-fought and emotional, and tough play SHOULD be over-looked. BUT "dirty" play (play intended to injure) shouldn't be tolerated at any level.

lazio knew their only chance was to beat up on us, and they did just that. Roma's mistake was thinking that they would be protected from that type of play from the official.

What's really ironic is that because the Italian Federation is so full of shit, that an experienced official WILL be named for the re-match, and the SAME stadium violence that you watched this week that went unpunished WILL occur (out of simple retribution), and the league WILL fine the Romanisti for it...MARK MY WORDS. Also - Roma players will play the rematch with the same cynical approach as lazio did (also out of retribution - it's a Derby), and red cards will be shown to show the rest of Europe that "Italian Football" is so "civilized".....YOU WATCH.

Doped up players, hooliganism, nazi salutes...Italy is such the bastion of sportsmanship in European football - this weekend showeed you that up and down the country......

And it's the same old story......

For the record, I think the Spanish League is too soft, and that's why your NT suffers....when they get to the International stages, they're conditioned for an "easier" affair, and most times seem to lack a "killer" instinct.....just my opinion...I think Spain consistantly puts the best teams in those tournaments on paper.....

Zeke-

Said it before the holidays...juve's done.

They don't have the horses...Nedved's lost half a step (knee?) They go as he goes....

They could use a striker, but who's out there that will REALLY step up and produce????

Mutu? (sniff-sniff)

There's nobody.

They're done.

Only a miracle will transform ADP to what he says he's going to be (LMFAO! - did you hear his pathetic babble after Thursday?)

Only a miracle will enable Trez' to step in and start producing enough to meet their needs - the guy's a stud, but c'mon...he's been out for minute, no?

I don't believe in miracles as an every-year event. They already had their auto-gol championship.....

dezzi wrote:Falc doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to Serie A - don't let his long-standing posting/Administrator title confuse you to see someone who actually knows what they're talking about - he really doesn't.

.....

Thanks for the laugh. This from someone who has given us such utter crap about how the Roman players will play their hearts out for their colors. Go ahead, make a fool of yourself about all that you know about the game. Since when do Italian referees hand out red cards early in a match? Not their style so don't go making outrageous statements.

Piero

I don't want to hog up non calcio space here. See the non calcio thread that Falc set up for my eating crow on the Jets win.

BAH We'll see Juve if Juve's demise.

"You can observe a lot just by watching."

And is this FINALLY Inter's year.

Forgot to mention DiCanio the Punk. Remember that fair play award he got…I don't either.

At least Randy Moss just lacked class and looked like a jackass:

Powerline

Say it ain't so, Paolo

Italian soccer star Paolo Di Canio has caused a stir by giving what looks like a fascist salute after scoring a goal against his team's arch-rival, Roma. Di Canio plays for Lazio, a Roman team that Mussolini supported and that continues to have fascist and racist elements (called "ultras") among its fans. In fact, a number of European countries have at least one important soccer team with a political orientation similar to Lazio. That's Europe for you.

Di Canio is an interesting case. He has a long record of misconduct, most of which occurred when he played in England and Scotland. He once pushed a referee to the ground (although the referee probably should have given himself a yellow card for the way he embellished his fall). However, Everton fans have a soft spot for Di Canio (as we do for so many miscreants). In the final minutes of a match against West Ham, Di Canio had the goal at his mercy after the Everton goal keeper had suffered a horrible injury. Di Canio elected to kick the ball out play, thus denying West Ham the victory.

Fascist politics don't seem to be present in the English game. A notable exception occurred about five years ago when Australian goal keeper Mark Bosnich gave a fascist salute to the Tottenham Hotspur crowd. Spurs is a London team with a huge Jewish following.

My view of that incident was that Bosnich should be free to make whatever political gesture he wants without punishment by the league. A fascist salute in Italy seems more problematic, and I imagine that such gestures are outlawed there.

Di Canio denies that his gesture was political, but the denial is hard to take seriously. He was a Lazio "ultra" as a kid and had good things to say about Mussolini in his autobiography, according to Soccernet.

Bineaz - My wife (che non capisce più un cazzo da quando è nata la nostra bambina) got her a gift for Santa Lucia (13-December), a gift for Christmas, and for La Befana (Epiphany 6-January) she got her chocolates and little things of that nature.

Leo - Unfortunately he's full of shit. DiCanio is guilty and they were poking major fun at him on Sunday on the Simona Ventura hosted program "Quelli Che Il Calcio".

Santa Lucia

Pramzan - That is the first time I have heard of giving gifts on Santa Lucia's feast day. Is your daughter's name Lucia? I know it is a tradition to give sweets or pastries on your Saint day. Or is it a custom from your parts to celebrate Santa Lucia in that manner?

LoL

Pram,

So child birth removed the last of your wife's brain cells? How can that be, she's still a Juve fan.

Auguri

bineaz

Our region is also known for processing granite & limestone from nearby quarries. Laborers who worked in the quarries or the factories that processed the stone would be subject to stone chips and debris hitting the eyes. Years ago, eye protection wasn't even considered.

Therefore the "scarpellini" (those who worked with stone) would pray to Santa Lucia (the patron saint of the eyes).

I remember as a child that it was forbidden to put up a XMAS tree before Santa Lucia (I believe it's Dec. 12). I don't know about the gift giving part, though.